Vicious dogs

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theDICKENS

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Been a bit of local political talk about "vicious dog" laws. Under the potential new law, my mutts will both be considered "vicious." Anyone had to deal with such laws?

I have a tall fence, signs, and all up to date shot records. Any other precautions I should take? Anyone had to deal with something similar?
 
Cuz I have a Shepard/Pit bull mix and Basset/Pit mix. Pit Bulls and Shepards have been deemed vicious...among a few other breeds.

Of course terriers, spaniels and whatever a dalmation is got left off the list
 
Funny how pit bulls are the main causes of attacks on people and other dogs. At least on my news channel.
I'm sure it's totally a conspiracy by the illuminati who are known to be cat lovers. :D
 
ido1957 said:
Funny how pit bulls are the main causes of attacks on people and other dogs. At least on my news channel.
I'm sure it's totally a conspiracy by the illuminati who are known to be cat lovers. :D
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The way I see it, the problem with pit bulls is not that they're inherently more violent than other dogs. All dogs can snap. But when a pit bull snaps, they fucking demolish anything in their path. And their owners are often, not always, but often trashy douchebags. That's not the dog's fault, but those people want their dogs to be an extension of their own small-dicked bad-ass selves. A douchebag guy has a douchebag dog.
 
I know what a dalmation looks like. I'm just not sure what breed it falls under. I guess it's a hound of some sort. I know in my experience, regardless of how they were raised, they're prone to fear aggression. Same as dachshunds and chihuahuas.

...and cocker spaniels
 
I had a viscous cat once, until he thought that he could rip the wheel off a moving car. :(

The dogs around my place used to give him plenty of space.

Alan.
 
Individual dogs are vicious. Breeds are not. If your dogs have no history of vicious behavior and your keep them in a fenced yard, you're good. Or should be. That doesn't mean some weeny local politicians won't try to make trouble. Speak up. Make a fuss. There are plenty of responsible pit bull owners in your town and any town, and plenty of dog lovers generally. What a minute, what country do you live in?
 
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It's all in how you raise them - like Greg said, if it's a douchebag owner it's going to be a douchebag dog... Our homeowner's insurance is a little more expensive (HOA won't let us put a fence up) but the only people/animals that have to worry about this big 80lb scary pit bull is the fedex guy and the rabbit that lives under the back deck. Our dog, Sage, knows what's up - not to be a jerk. If we let someone in the house, she knows to leave them be unless they invite her over. If we are not home, however, and someone broke in they would have hell to pay.

I really doubt that anyone would consider coming in while we weren't here seeing this looking at you through the window though. :thumbs up:
 
Greg_L said:
The way I see it, the problem with pit bulls is not that they're inherently more violent than other dogs. All dogs can snap. But when a pit bull snaps, they fucking demolish anything in their path. And their owners are often, not always, but often trashy douchebags. That's not the dog's fault, but those people want their dogs to be an extension of their own small-dicked bad-ass selves. A douchebag guy has a douchebag dog.
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So true. I lived with a pit bull for a while. He was generally a sweet dog but when an animal is built like a crocodile, the smallest indiscretion can lead to some major injury. I don't think that the dog would have ever harmed anybody on purpose, but all dogs have those moments of getting carried away. A shih tsu might draw blood in those moments, but friggin jaws the dog could crush a skull if he wanted to.

Amazing how dogs are such reflections of their owners. I have a 1-year-old standard poodle. He's an asshole, but he knows how to play cute and suck up. Dang...now I need to seek out a therapist and sort this out :D
 
I'd be making damn sure that your dog can't get under your fence or create a space where someone can stick their arm through.

There was a story in the local press a couple of weeks ago about a young girl who did exactly that to pat the nice doggies, don't remember the breed, but it was one of the ones that normally get considered dangerous. She now, unfortunately, has only one hand.

Girl, 8, loses right hand in dog attack

Don't be that dog owner.

As someone else said above, it's not that the hounds are intrisically bad, but if/when they do snap, for whatever reason, and they're built like a tank, then the consequences can be severe.
 
theDICKENS said:
I know what a dalmation looks like. I'm just not sure what breed it falls under. I guess it's a hound of some sort. I know in my experience, regardless of how they were raised, they're prone to fear aggression. Same as dachshunds and chihuahuas.

...and cocker spaniels
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The difference is an aggressive dachshund or chihuahua is funny and harmless. An aggressive pit bull will literally rip your limbs off and eat your face.
 
Greg_L said:
The way I see it, the problem with pit bulls is not that they're inherently more violent than other dogs. All dogs can snap. But when a pit bull snaps, they fucking demolish anything in their path. And their owners are often, not always, but often trashy douchebags. That's not the dog's fault, but those people want their dogs to be an extension of their own small-dicked bad-ass selves. A douchebag guy has a douchebag dog.
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Very true. Over here the thug tattoo covered brainless welfare state wasters keep them as status symbols and train them to be aggressive. You can train any dog to be aggressive, the main thing that separates many of the bull breeds is that they were bred to fight. Pit bulls and some other bull breed types when they bite will lock the jaw and nothing short of killing it it will make them release.

I have two large Husky cross, one GSD cross and one bull bread cross. The GSD looks frightening and wolf like but is a real puppy, the Bull breed cross is smaller but definitely the alpha by nature. Virtually all dogs are like kids in that how they behave largely reflects how they are raised... It sickens me that some people acquire certain breeds and train them as weapons just to satisfy their own insecurities and ego...
 
muttley600 said:
I have two large Husky cross, one GSD cross and one bull bread cross. The GSD looks frightening and wolf like but is a real puppy, the Bull breed cross is smaller but definitely the alpha by nature. Virtually all dogs are like kids in that how they behave largely reflects how they are raised... It sickens me that some people acquire certain breeds and train them as weapons just to satisfy their own insecurities and ego...
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Mutt, I'm assuming you're a responsible dog owner. Do you think people should have to apply for a license to own a dog? i.e. you'd have to demonstrate you're not a fuck-wit and that you have the time, space and brains to look after a dog responsibly.
 
JDOD said:
Mutt, I'm assuming you're a responsible dog owner. Do you think people should have to apply for a license to own a dog? i.e. you'd have to demonstrate you're not a fuck-wit and that you have the time, space and brains to look after a dog responsibly.
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Around here the shelters get references and check your living situation before letting you adopt. Stores and backyard breeders don't, of course.

To the OP: Put up 'Beware of dogs/Enter at own risk' signs on your fence.
 
JDOD said:
Mutt, I'm assuming you're a responsible dog owner. Do you think people should have to apply for a license to own a dog? i.e. you'd have to demonstrate you're not a fuck-wit and that you have the time, space and brains to look after a dog responsibly.
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Responsible yes, tolerant of irresponsible dog owners no.

Trouble with licensing dog owners as they used to is policing it.. I'd far rather the effort was put into punishing dog owners that allow their dogs to worry other animals, people or livestock and those that allow their dogs to foul public spaces and dont clean up after them.

Here are my two dogs (in the middle).

The two lurchers are a friends who we walk them with. They are being sled trained right now and can pull happily for miles..

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mjbphotos said:
Around here the shelters get references and check your living situation before letting you adopt. Stores and backyard breeders don't, of course.

To the OP: Put up 'Beware of dogs/Enter at own risk' signs on your fence.
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They do here as well. Both ours are rescue dogs from RSPCA shelters. Unfortunately there is a rising trade in illegal and unlicensed puppy farms in the uk. Most are based in Ireland and the dogs are smuggled in and have had no socialising or responsible early training.. The breeders responsible should be publicly flogged...
 
muttley600 said:
Responsible yes, tolerant of irresponsible dog owners no.

Trouble with licensing dog owners as they used to is policing it.. I'd far rather the effort was put into punishing dog owners that allow their dogs to worry other animals, people or livestock and those that allow their dogs to foul public spaces and dont clean up after them.
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The thing with needing a license to get a dog is that it would make it more difficult for dodgy breaders to sell dogs down the pub or bring them over from Ireland. I'm assuming that's criminal already; but it would further criminalise it and criminalise the buyers too which should provide a further deterant.

It would also add a level of admin, which fuckwits who want them as a fashion accessory would be incapable of comprehending while also adding a "cooling off period" so people can't just buy them in the pub when they're pissed.
 
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