tanlith said:
I just feel bad for David... he's just trying to defend his business' reputation. Much like any one of us would if we had an unhappy customer.
Don't feel bad for me. This message board, for the most part, is simply entertainment to me.
If any of these folks were in Nashville, they'd know who I am and know what it is that I do here. I know it's easy to check out a link and think "Oh, that guy is just some small time guy in his basement," but it's not that at all...and I see that daily. Unfortunately, you guys don't.
See
www.2nmc.com/testimonials for opinions on my last music conference. I wasn't holding a gun to these folks' heads to get them to say what they did.
tanlith said:
OK A few people here have had bad experiences with David. That doesn't negate his skill, knowledge or abilities to do what he does.
As a business owner, Tanlith, you realize that you can't please everybody. I do enough business that some people are going to be pissed off.
As far as I know, there was only one person here who has ever used my service, and that was
Littlerock (PA Shop). I don't have the records here (am at home now), but as far as I remember, he got on, he got one, had trouble with the online system, and then sent something to one of my employees about not wanting a year, meant to do one month, give me my money back now, etc...
I'm fine with giving money back,
www.indiebiz.com will show you my guarantee. BUT, if you're going to work with me, it's a two way deal and I don't have time for people who tell my employees one thing and then tell me another...and then post another.
tanlith said:
I've read some of your responses to these attacks on your business and I have to say that although I can see you're trying to maintain a certain level of composure, on several occasions you stepped over that fine line and left profesionalism far behind. It's understandable that you feel passionate about your business and you probably feel personally attacked when someone says something like "to all young, old, or unsigned musicians. dont send ant of these leaches like david any money period!" -- So the guy didn't get what he expected from your site/service. What was it that he expected to get? Noone knows cause he hasn't posted specifics of what it was he thought you were going to do for him.
First of all, there is no evidence that the guy you're referring to (was it Patty? Paddy?) was ever a client. No name, no details, nothing to look up. Until I have that info, I won't be able to comment.
As far as professionalism, don't shoot the messenger for calling it like it is. I'm just a mirror of what happens here. Look at any of the threads I've started and you'll see total professionalism.
People here make fun of Taxi for not responding, then I get hit because I do respond. Like you said, can't keep everybody happy.
tanlith said:
If there's something that these people (for whatever reason) think they should be getting from your site/service, maybe you should first try to determine exactly what that something is... then try to find out what (if anything) in your sales copy is being misinterpreted.
The sales copy at
www.indiebiz.com is long and detailed. If something isn't clear to anybody reading this, let me know.
tanlith said:
However, I have a feeling that much of this could very well be the result of this "instant gratification" world we now live in. You need something? *CLICK* got it. Heard a good song on the radio on the way home from work? *CLICK* got it on my HD in MP3. Microsoft has a cool new flight sim out? *CLICK* Got it from Kazaa!!
Definitely. Plus, remember that a lot of musicians have HUGE egos and think the world revolves around them. It's a tough market to do business with because they can't take criticism that they might not be ready for what it is that I can do for them.
tanlith said:
Many of the people I deal with day to day seem to have lost the whole concept that some things take time and effort. I want a music career! *CLICK* "Son of a bitch!!! Don't give this guy any of your money!!! It's a scam!!!"
True. And something like Cribs or anything on MTV makes it appear that way. It's a very long process that most people just aren't ready for though.
When it comes to music business education, most artists have about a 2nd grade level.
tanlith said:
I really don't know what you expect David to do... or any other service for that matter. From what I gather (And feel free to correct me... politely!) he's offering information that could otherwise take a significant ammount of time to gather online (Again... depending on your skill) -- I get the impression from some of the comments I see tossed like grenades at David and his business that you seem to expect him to make you a star.
A lot of what I can offer only comes with working with HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of bands. That is lifetimes of several thousand people, their mistakes, their success stories.
You could find it out on your own, but to see it happen to that many people would take a while and you'd have to get off the road to study them.
And then you have the connections I bring to the table.
Glad you mentioned the "star" thing. Nowhere on
www.indiebiz.com does it talk about me doing that. This is a marketing company. I help you make more money in music, not get famous.
Although fame sometimes comes with it.
tanlith said:
Sure you worked hard writing and recording all that music you make (And believe me I have heard some amazing music come out of this BBS.) But no matter how much I like it or believe it should be the next #1 hit, there's no way in hell I would put my time, money or reputation on the line to back anyone here. And I doubt that any record label out there would. Why? Because if they spent any time getting back ground info on any of you (and you know who you are) or found out about you from this BBS then they wouldn't want to be bothered with the hastle of dealing with you... they're record producers... not baby-sitters.
So true. And people in the music business talk. I know the guys from every music conference and they ask who has been tough to work with.
And I ask them.
I know guys with records that were on the charts get dropped because they were jerks. People don't put up with much because they don't have to. There are a lot of talented musicians out there who are easy to work with.
tanlith said:
So please can someone tell me exactly what it is that David has done? What is it that you all think it is he's selling... then tell me why or how you got that impression???? If you can't be specific as to what the hell he's done, said or promissed that he didn't come through with than by all means people shut the fuck up!
Exactly. Thanks.
