Not literallyWhat’s an example of it being shoved down your throat?
Not literallyWhat’s an example of it being shoved down your throat?
What’s your problem? Worry about you, not me.Then whats your beef, what gets you all riled up?. Did an immigrant steal your job?. Did a drag queen touch you in a bad place? Did a priest or your boyscout leader bugger you?. Did someone steal your tax money and give it to the Ukrainians? Were you bullied in school? Did your candidate lose?
brassplyer said:
Citizens are free to embrace any religious belief or no religious belief
That's incorrect as already discussed - no religious test to hold public office. And that goes both ways - Dems were out of line hammering Amy Barrett about her religious convictions and they should have been called on it and faced severe sanctions if not expulsion. Couldn't be any more unambiguously stated in the Constitution. I say this as an atheist who supports first trimester abortions. Presumably Dems took that tack since they couldn't find anyone to lie about her sexually assaulting them decades ago.Yes -- not because religion has no role in politics, but rather because politics have no role in religion. See the distinction? The state cannot establish / enforce a religion the way the English did. There is nothing whatsoever about individuals not being allowed to act according to their religious convictions in political circles.
Civics pop-quiz.Now that is no accident. Actually inherent to the structure of the Constitution is recognition of a higher law / ideal which the Constitution attempts to interpret -- and doesn't fail in the least, I must say.
Then why are you answering me. You don't expect me to answer back? You seem like the one with the beef and the "problem". I am just wondering what is causing those beefs and that problem. You don't seem to want to answer so I will just put it down to your scoutmaster buggered you.What’s your problem? Worry about you, not me.
I’m surprised that such a simple statement as I made earlier could create this amount of reaction.
Don’t like what I say? Ignore me. I’m not here to debate you. I prefer drive by postings
You and I have never had a decent conversation and probably never will.Then why are you answering me. You don't expect me to answer back? You seem like the one with the beef and the "problem". I am just wondering what is causing those beefs and that problem. You don't seem to want to answer so I will just put it down to your scoutmaster buggered you.
I have no problem with that and I have no problem with you, that is okay by me. Whatever gets you through the night, fall mountains, just don't fall on me.You and I have never had a decent conversation and probably never will.
How is that incorrect? You're basically agreeing with what I said.That's incorrect as already discussed - no religious test to hold public office.
I'm not aware of a test?That's incorrect as already discussed - no religious test to hold public office.
What you said is:How is that incorrect? You're basically agreeing with what I said.
Feinstein’s use of religion is not justified, violates the “no religious test”, and moreover is a singularly hypocritical incident. However, I should point out that my statement as quoted above does not allow for such abuses of “religion”. In somewhat more detailed terms, what I said is that 1) candidates should hold certain values publicly [I don’t care what they are, as long as they do hold them]; 2) We The People [voters] should be on the look-out for candidates whose values align with our own, and support those candidates; 3) once elected, those officials should act according to the principles they claimed to believe in when they ran for office. These principles include, but are not limited to, and can be inspired by, dictated by, or otherwise derived from, religious belief. That is perfectly aligned with the original meaning of “separation of Church and State”, by which the State cannot govern, openly support, claim to have sway over, or otherwise institutionalize a particular religion — which is the converse of what the common misconception is, that a church (or other religion, or “religiously inclined” person) is not allowed to express political views, support candidates, etc.What you said is:
There is nothing whatsoever about individuals not being allowed to act according to their religious convictions in political circles.
You think Dianne Feinstein's blatant invoking of religion in her questioning of Amy Barrett was in keeping with “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”?
By “higher law” I mean a moral absolute / universal / “natural” law, not the “supreme law of the land” aka US Constitution. Even the least Christian of the founding fathers apparently believed in the “Laws of Nature” and “Nature’s God”, yes? And only a psychopath would argue against this: that even if there were no manmade “laws”, it would be objectively wrong to steal, rape, lie, kill an innocent person (not even talking about abortion here) — i.e., anything that is for your personal benefit at the expense of someone else’s basic rights.Btw I meant to address your other point about a "higher law".
There is no higher law than the Constitution.
Luckily, Islamic principles cannot hold sway in America under the current structure of government. This is because the Constitution and DOI do not align themselves with, and indeed state rights that contradict, the very rudiments of Islam. May I once more point out that many of these rights originate from the Christian developments of civilization. All that said, if a muslim is able to garner enough support to be lawfully elected, I look forward to seeing how far they get in promoting Islamic principles in Congress lol.I assume you're not prepared to state that Islamic principles should hold sway?
Freeing a People from a tyrannical government which, among other things, had a history of enforcing a state religion? [I hope I got your point there?]What's the central principle behind the founding of the United States?
Besides the widely varying nature of what people consider to be "religious principles" - lots of conflict among for example Christians as to what those principles are supposed to be. Whatever one considers to be their "religious principles" - voters or those they elect, those principles can't - or at least they're not *supposed* to be allowed to put into action those principles if they're determined to be outside constitutional bounds.Feinstein’s use of religion is not justified, violates the “no religious test”, and moreover is a singularly hypocritical incident. However, I should point out that my statement as quoted above does not allow for such abuses of “religion”. In somewhat more detailed terms, what I said is that 1) candidates should hold certain values publicly [I don’t care what they are, as long as they do hold them]; 2) We The People [voters] should be on the look-out for candidates whose values align with our own, and support those candidates; 3) once elected, those officials should act according to the principles they claimed to believe in when they ran for office. These principles include, but are not limited to, and can be inspired by, dictated by, or otherwise derived from, religious belief. That is perfectly aligned with the original meaning of “separation of Church and State”, by which the State cannot govern, openly support, claim to have sway over, or otherwise institutionalize a particular religion — which is the converse of what the common misconception is, that a church (or other religion, or “religiously inclined” person) is not allowed to express political views, support candidates, etc.
See below.By “higher law” I mean a moral absolute / universal / “natural” law, not the “supreme law of the land” aka US Constitution. Even the least Christian of the founding fathers apparently believed in the “Laws of Nature” and “Nature’s God”, yes? And only a psychopath would argue against this: that even if there were no manmade “laws”, it would be objectively wrong to steal, rape, lie, kill an innocent person (not even talking about abortion here) — i.e., anything that is for your personal benefit at the expense of someone else’s basic rights.
See below.Luckily, Islamic principles cannot hold sway in America under the current structure of government. This is because the Constitution and DOI do not align themselves with, and indeed state rights that contradict, the very rudiments of Islam. May I once more point out that many of these rights originate from the Christian developments of civilization. All that said, if a muslim is able to garner enough support to be lawfully elected, I look forward to seeing how far they get in promoting Islamic principles in Congress lol.
The fundamental principle of the United States is that people have rights and that the state exists to protect the rights of citizens. Citizens don't exist to serve the state.Freeing a People from a tyrannical government which, among other things, had a history of enforcing a state religion? [I hope I got your point there?]
As far as better than Santana, we are going to need a bigger BBS, and back up thumbs to help compile the list. I especially love listening to him yammer non stop about his deep spiritual connection to music, while never advancing any further musically than the same couple of tired licks he has used in every song he has ever played on.Go for it!
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Bonamassa,
I'm listenin'
C'mon now, tell us how you really feel. Joey B bores me to tears.As far as better than Santana, we are going to need a bigger BBS, and back up thumbs to help compile the list. I especially love listening to him yammer non stop about his deep spiritual connection to music, while never advancing any further musically than the same couple of tired licks he has used in every song he has ever played on.
Asking a fictitious deity to forgive you for worshipping another fictitious deity seems like a waste of timeR U kidding yourself, robbers don't follow Lucifer. Most of them are good Christians gone astray and all they have to do is ask Jesus
for forgiveness and they are forgiven. Lucifer don't work that way.
Asking a fictitious deity to forgive you for worshipping another fictitious deity seems like a waste of time
Is this true?