You know what I think is so sad?

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That there even moments where you find yourself thinking "Wow ... They're amazing live! Or ... wait ... they aren't using auto-tune, are they?"

It sucks that it's come to that. :(
 
I didn't even think that was possible with all the bleed happening on a stage. Next thing we know live shows will be quantized.
 
JG96 said:
I didn't even think that was possible with all the bleed happening on a stage. Next thing we know live shows will be quantized.
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Don't laugh, they pretty much are now. Even a supposed "rock" band like KISS has the EXACT same length show every night. No way that can be done, or would need to be done, with a true live show. I'm sure at least 50% of the show is pre-recorded. And that's a "rock" band (sort of). Imagine how canned these "pop star" shows are. I wouldn't be surprised if they're at least 95% pre-recorded, quantized, auto-tuned, etc....

But hey, at least that way they can concentrate on the important things, like choreography. :D
 
And this is why I like Jason Mraz or dave matthews band. Ben harper, etc.. Most nights the songs are changed a little, you never know what will happen. All of them are better live than they could ever be in a studio.
 
RAMI said:
But hey, at least that way they can concentrate on the important things, like choreography. :D
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That's what I find most appalling. The standardized urban dance mess that has to go with every live "performance" has taken priority over musical performance.

Thankfully nothing I like has anything to do with auto-tune, quantization, or dancing. Vive le punk.
 
RAMI said:
But hey, at least that way they can concentrate on the important things, like choreography. :D
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So true. Perhaps that's one area we've overlooked in the home recording world. I'm gonna start working on my moves!
 
heatmiser said:
So true. Perhaps that's one area we've overlooked in the home recording world. I'm gonna start working on my moves!
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I smash my guitars, but it doesn't have the same visual appeal when I'm by myself in my man-room.
 
Greg_L said:
I smash my guitars, but it doesn't have the same visual appeal when I'm by myself in my man-room.
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That's what video's for man! Me, I'm gonna audition some back-up dancers and get to work.
 
Greg_L said:
That's what I find most appalling. The standardized urban dance mess that has to go with every live "performance" has taken priority over musical performance.

Thankfully nothing I like has anything to do with auto-tune, quantization, or dancing. Vive le punk.
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Eh. It's just a different kind of performance. A lot of people who do that sort of music are really good dancers, and that's got to count for something. I remember the first time I saw Usher on SNL, I thought, "Boy, if you muted this and synched it up with some Soundgarden, it would be amazing!"

My opinion of backing tracks tends to depend a lot on how crucial they are to the performance and how honest the band is about it. e.g. HORSE: The Band uses a lot of tracks, but they're triggered by one of the band members on stage, and they're usually only for small parts of the song (breakdowns, etc.), so I give them a pass.

Then for pop music, I just don't care. I'm not the target audience, so my music purist opinions don't really matter.
 
I remember seeing a moderately famous (at the time) rock band several years back. Their name escapes me, but I remember their one hit "Get Away" was mixed by Andy Wallace. Killing me what their name was...

Aaaanyways. Whenever they got to a chorus, they all of a sudden had this massive background vocal sound. I looked at who was singing and what I was hearing and thought, "What the what?!". It was really awkward and I thought pretty damn cheesy.
I've also heard of certain bigger rock bands pumping in shouts of "encore!" over the P.A. slowly to try to get the crowd to bring them out again for their big finale. Weak sauce, man. Weak sauce.



famous beagle said:
That there even moments where you find yourself thinking "Wow ... They're amazing live! Or ... wait ... they aren't using auto-tune, are they?"

It sucks that it's come to that. :(
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JeffroMixesYou said:
Whenever they got to a chorus, they all of a sudden had this massive background vocal sound. I looked at who was singing and what I was hearing and thought, "What the what?!". It was really awkward and I thought pretty damn cheesy.
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Last week I saw a documentary that I recorded on the Hollies and Graham Nash and Allan Clark were talking about the song "Carrie Anne". In it there's this steel pan solo and they said they'd seen this West Indian guy playing one on the street and thought it would make for interesting colours so they got the guy to do it. They said they never saw him again, couldn't even recall his name but in gigs, they'd have a prepared tape playing it, lifted from the single as they knew no pan players. In the clip they showed, I thought it sounded pretty ropey but the Hollies were trying to give value for money. And this was 1968.
On Queen's excellent 1979 live LP "Live killers", on "Bohemian Rhapsody", the band plays up to the operetta bit and take off again on the heavy metal bit. But in the middle, they just used to play the single ! The sleeve notes try to make it seem that they were being Über professional by doing this but I remember thinking back in 1980 when I first got the record, "how lame ! " I still think that now.
 
Too many use autotune I mean listen to Mariah Careys Almost Home beautiful song beautifully sung yet if you listen closely you can hear some autotuning going on in the video.
 
grimtraveller said:
On Queen's excellent 1979 live LP "Live killers", on "Bohemian Rhapsody", the band plays up to the operetta bit and take off again on the heavy metal bit. But in the middle, they just used to play the single ! The sleeve notes try to make it seem that they were being Über professional by doing this but I remember thinking back in 1980 when I first got the record, "how lame ! " I still think that now.
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I saw Queen live, I can't remember what year or tour, but they went off for a costume change during the opera part and just had a light show. I remember being really disappointed because I've seen cover bands doing that part "not bad". I'm sure they could have done it better than not bad, even if meant hiring a few singers for that part.
 
I kinda like the band 'Fun!" but they over-use auto tune, and it is irritating.

But not so fast, everyone. I saw Emerson, Lake and Palmer in 1974, and when Keith Emerson was playing with one hand and lifting a longneck with the other, the crowd cheered- I did, too, until I saw a slide (remember slides?) projected on a big screen above the stage, that said "ZAP!" The whole beer thing was staged. So, I guess we have ELP to blame for the sorry state of performance, today. Those guys started it all.
 
stevieb said:
I kinda like the band 'Fun!" but they over-use auto tune, and it is irritating.

But not so fast, everyone. I saw Emerson, Lake and Palmer in 1974, and when Keith Emerson was playing with one hand and lifting a longneck with the other, the crowd cheered- I did, too, until I saw a slide (remember slides?) projected on a big screen above the stage, that said "ZAP!" The whole beer thing was staged. So, I guess we have ELP to blame for the sorry state of performance, today. Those guys started it all.
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Wait ... what was "the whole beer thing?" My ELP knowledge is practically nil.
 
famous beagle said:
Wait ... what was "the whole beer thing?" My ELP knowledge is practically nil.
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not sure how a slide projecting ZAP meant the whole beer thing was staged plus who cares anyway?
All music shows are staged seeing as how they're on a stage ...........that's a far cry from not being able to sing but using autotune to make it seem as if you can ala Taylor Swift.
 
Lt. Bob said:
not sure how a slide projecting ZAP meant the whole beer thing was staged plus who cares anyway?
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Yeah, I suffered through reading his post 3 times and still don't know what one has to do with the other. I have no idea what he's talking about.
 
I'm sure the mystery will be revealed......when we've all lost interest !
 
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