You gota have the Ying with the Yang.

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Due to Slackmaster 2000 dislike for Boston's production, I would like to know what project are fairly disliked by our memmbers here. Not to have a bashing party, but just so we know what we are comparing our favorites against. You gota have the Ying with the Yang.

Personally I have trouble listening to Steve Vai's "Flexable".


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I think that Steve Vai album was recorded on a 4 or 8 track. It may be the music that is more annoying than the recording though.

You want to know recordings people hate, or bands?

I won't name bands, to flammable.

A band no one mentioned in the other forum was YES, now they had some wicked recordings.

Recordings I hate: Hard to think of anything, if the music sucks and the recording is great it doesn't matter, I still hate it. If the music is great and the recording sucks... I like it anyway.

Unless I'm trying to be critical, which I avoid these days.

Emeric
 
I don't feel it necessary to criticize other musicians. Sort of a "he who is without sin cast the first stone" kind of thing.

Except when it comes to Boston. Man, they really sucked! They sucked in the kind of way that gives me the heeby-geebies.

Actually, I guess Foreigner, Nazarath, and Journey all sucked as well.

In fact, most bands of that genre sucked. They were just trying to get laid, and I guess I have to respect them for it...but I'm certainly not going to listen to their music... Besides, it was just the radiation that caused many males during that time to realize that singing love songs made it easier to pick up the ladies.

Here's the formula for success with women:

1) Your first hit single must be about partying, drinking beer, driving a car, or something similar. But make sure it has something bad or degrading to say about women as a whole.

2) Your second hit single must be a balad in which you reveal that you're not really an asswipe, it was the drummer who wrote the first song! You're in fact tender and sweet, and have a nice big mustache.

3) Make sure your the lead singer. Ooo! I hope you didn't get to this step after completing steps 1 and 2, especially if you're a drummer.

This worked in the late 70s and worked again in the late 80's and early 90's for bands like Warrant. First, "She's My Cherry Pie, and I'm going to treat her like a sofa"...then, "Heaven...you're heaven to me and I'm sooo sensitive"

Good Luck! (PS, I think I need my own forum. I tend to get carried away with the bullshit. I would appologize, but that too would be bullshit)

Slackmaster 2000
 
I was just interested in projects that the memmbers here thought where not so hot. There are many bands out there that even though I may not care much for their style of music, they may in fact produced a great project. I guess I am looking at how well individual instruments sound, how they are mixed together, and any other finishing touches.
 
I think that Seal has to have some of the most overproduced, fake sounding shit out there, followed very closely by everything Def Leppard did after Hi&Dry. In both cases, I don't hear any realism in the instrumentation. It all sounds like it came off of the newest keyboard in the world.

Rush used to have some very pretty, great sounding production. Now it is mostly stale and boring. I don't think that the move to digital did much for them.

Don't get me started on Ricky Martin!!!

Black Sabbath's early stuff, like everything done while Ozzy was in the band, pretty much sounded horrible. Those drums!!! What did he use, cardboard??? And the double tracked leads. Randy Rhodes was the only guitar player that I have heard that could pull that off very well.

Speaking of Ozzy, it just seems that he can seldom get production together. May be due to the fact that most of the drummers that recorded with him were mostly forgettable. With the exception of Dean Castranova. I happen to know Dean, and not only is he one hell of a nice guy, he is a ruling drummer. Probably the best you could hope to have in a band. I used to go watch him play with a local band called Wild Dogs who were signed on Shrapnel Records. This guy is simply amazing.

Ed
 
Yes. The quality formula needs a bit tweeking for them. "m" changed quite a bit over time.
 
Wow you guys are bashing Boston!Although they were IMHO rather comercial I have "More than a feeling" they did have a couple very hip hits. You need to remember what space and time they were in.The technology available then was nothing even close to what is available to even a local garage band today. I am new to this forum and to digital recording. My favs of the past and I mean almost prehistoric past are, and I place them in the order they were released: 1967 The Beatles "Magical mystery tour" ( recorded on a 4 track) Who says money can't buy everything, also in 1967 Jimi Hendrix "Are you experienced?" Jimi was experienced! 1969 King Crimsons "Court of the Crimson King" WAY!!! ahead of it's time, flat out incredible! Then of course in early 1973 Pink Floyds "Dark side of the moon" Bag on this one if you wish but you can only knock on success so much. This puppy holds the record for the being on the billboard charts longer than "any" other album "ever". Lucky ass me got to see this album performed live before it's U.S. release at the first ever "Quad" concert in California on a bitchin September evening at the Hollywood Bowl in 1972 .That concert holds the #1 position of best of the best in all of the hundreds of Rock Concerts I have seen here in the pit over the last 30 years. I digress...I hold a reverence for The gone but not forgotten FZ (Frank Zappa in the dictionary under "Genius") and although some of what he allowed out was probably monetarily motivated his "One size fits all" album circa 1975 is definitely one incredible recording. Check out "Inca Roads". Another very cool one is Alan Parsons "Tales of Mystery and imagination" also @1975 Then in 1978 and I am biased since they are "local boys done good" the big VH released their first and in my opinion best album accordingly called "Van Halen" go figure. Ted Templeman is one bad ass dude. I'll end this in the 80's with Boy Wonder Daniel Elfman another LA Homeboy.
Mr.Boingo can produce! e.g. 1987's Boingo "We close our eyes" and with that I close this rambling , rhetorical review.
 
OOPS! I Guess the topic was what recordings we disliked ...well as my my dear old aunt Rosane Rosanadana used to say "Never mind"...Hey I'm new!
 
TAE!!! Dude, this one is for dislikes. The likes one would be more appropriate for your post.

So tell us what you think is junk here.

I want to add one more junkie disk, Pearl Jam's Merkinball!!! I kind of dug PJ's production up to this sorry excuse of a recording. But anytime you are gonna add Neil Young, there goes the mix, and the tuning, and freshness. Neil Young is like an old Twinkie that has sat out for a month, technically still edible, but who would want to??? Bad texture.

There, I am done with this good/bad crap. I have mixes waiting for my attention. Maybe one day something I did will be discussed. Although, anyone caring to add my mixes to either catagory is free to check them out. www.echostarstudio.com/downloads.html

Ed
 
Bands that I hate:
Lenny Kravits (Black guy trying to get white chicks)... All bands on Lillith Fair tour(If chicks want to be in the entertainment industry... there's porno.) Creed, Limp Bizkit, and any other band that likes to party, get laid, and live the good life and still claim to be christian...
Rock and roll is and always will be the Devil's music...
Black love music... Backstreet boys, TLC, all of that shit that took over MTV.
Oasis (If the British want to be in the entertainment industry...theres comedy.)
Any country music. (If rednecks want to be in the entertainment industry... there's The Jerry Springer show.)
Any band that used to be heavy, but toned down their style to make it big: Metallica, Korn, Megadeth, Chilli Peppers, Soundgarden...
Tree-hugging hippy peace-loving drug crap... Grateful dead, Phish, Blind Melon.
Any band with a singer who takes himself a bit too seriously and starts getting involved with charity work: Bob Geldof started this, i think...
Any band on top 40 radio...
Hole.
Any band who's singer goes into rehab.
Ricky martin.
White rappers from the suburbs who talk about bustin' caps in a motherfucker... and havent ever fired a real gun.
Neo-punk bands with mohawks and ripped up clothes that claim to be old-school even thought they were living with their parents in Glendale up untill they were signed and now have more money than Ted Turner.
Bands who used to be cool, but should have given it up years ago, and are still trying to pay off their mansions and cars...(Kiss, AC/DC, Skynyrd, Ozzy).
I pretty much hate everything.

S-HATE-N
 
The problem with Pop music is that most of the instrumentation is from keboards or other MIDI gear via a computer. Not that it is a bad thing, but yhat is when things start to sound too good it gets to a point where it is not natural. Having that, the mix may sound overproduced. Sad to say that is how most POP music sounds these days. I guess it is refreshing when someone comes out with a project where they have gone back to the basics.
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About this topic... boy, did I open a can of worms!


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TAE, just to clarify, I think I was the only one really railing Boston....I'm just loud so it seems worse.

sonusman: I think that the old Sabbath drum sound was very much intentional. Very muted. Soundgarden tried to copy it (IMHO) on Ultramega OK but didn't quite get it. Regardless, you can always tell when a Sabbath tune starts playing. Good or bad :)

OUCH. The Neil Young bash hurt my poor little feelings :) I got my middle name from Neil Young (mom was a hippy). I agree though, that he's getting to be pretty anoying. "Let's see how long I can play the same chord". He REALLY sucked when playing the Levee with Plant & Page for their R&R hall of fame bit.

Anyway, what I'd like to know is why fakey dance sounding drums are back in style? Everything is starting to sound like Herbie Hancock on crack. And that those little "weee" sounds that groups like House of Pain and White Zombie always sample. WTF?

Oh and don't get me started on that Rob Zombie freak. "Hey everyone, I learned a new chord today! Here, I'll play it for you over and over and over and over....yeeeah, yeeeah, yeeeah, yeeeah." One time I was at the bar and that More Human tune came on the box....I lost count at about 30 "yeahs". When they play live, do they actually stand there and play through an entire song, or do they just play the first 20 seconds into a synth and let it take over until the audience leaves?

Slackmaster 2000
 
Damn you... Damn you to hell...
I just wrote a long, venomous post defending White Zombie but accidentally erased it before I had a chance to post... You are lucky that I am too drunk to remember what I said... Bastard....
S8-N
 
You know? Most people prefer the simple songs. These are the songs that listeners do not have to concentrate on, which in turn stick in their heads. It is seldom when radio stations play complex music (except classical stations). When was the last time you heard Dream Theater or Steve Vai played n your local station?

To me, there are two sides to music: CREATIVITY & MARKETING. One thing I have noticed since I have gotten in the music scene is that there are a ton of talented people with great musical ideas. These are the kind of people that are the creative ones. Then there are those who write music with the intent of selling it. The song may not be too creative, but it fitts that "Cookie Cutter". It is rare when someone writes a song that fits both areas. Why? Because it is the BIG guys in this industry that decides what the public wants to hear... it is all about marketing. Why do you think that each deacde has it's own music, and the music from the decade before is taboo? Noticed how the 70's stuff was welcomed again ("retro" ring a bell?) in the 90's and the 80's stuff was considered "crap"? I know that in the 80's, the 70's stuff for the most part was put down. Now we are headed for 2000, and now just watch as the 80's music come back into vouge, and the 90's music should fade away.

One big thing that is changing the industry are guys like us, people who have home studios. In addition, we now have the internet to ditribute or projects. I am interested to see how far all of us can go with this new technology.

Good Luck to all of us, as we all have the power to make a difference in the next decade of music.
 
Fishmed- It's ironic that I read your post RIGHT AFTER I heard Dream Theater's new single "Home" on a Bay Area station here. But I hear you, man.
As far as production I hate...I don't like any of Pink Floyd's production after Watters left, although I still liked the tunes. Mid-80s Rush was awful, production wise ("big money"). Some of these poor Dream Theater clone bands on Magna Carta fall short of decent production, probably because they record on ADAT primarily, and don't have the time or resources to warm it up to compete with the 2" Analog recorded heavy rock production stuff. New "angry female" rocksters usually take that minmalist approach too far with bare bones dry guitar, buried drums and mush-background mixes. Then the other extreme, with the overtly lush, phony sounding pianos and blatantly over indulgent symphony accompaniments get old after awhile, too. Like eating Dutch Apple Pie breakfast, lunch, and dinner for days on end...
 
I agree with just about everybody's suck list, especially S8-n's, although I do like non mainstream country...Willie Nelson and the dude with big hair that married Pretty Psycho once...Everything else that actually gets airplay on the country stations is no different from the drek on all the other T40's. The thing about Country is, it's the only format going that actually uses the melody/story style that most songwriters would aspire to, including me. Face it, Country is (or was) the white man's way of expressing the Blues, which begat us all...Nashville is no different from the coasts as far as the relentless pursuit of money goes, which always leads to crap radio. Uh, except for the Dixie Chicks..you gotta love a song that has the words "Earl has to die" in it...Hey SN-8, you're what real rock n roll is all about...you speak your mind and keep us thinkin' so don't split from the forums. Enjoyed listening to your tunes, the instrumentation and beat extremely well done. But lose the lame Gwar vocals..........gibs
 
S2K, ROTFL...I always got a good laugh out of "Cinnamon Girl"...I do a hilarious impression of the "solo" in that number...
 
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