Yet Another Logic Audio Platinum Question!!!!!

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OK..... Let me just get this out... GOOOOOOODDDDDD!!!!

Ok I feel better, Actually, no I don't feel better. Anyway, Blass me father for I have sinned, it has been 3 weeks since my last posting on homerecording.com. I don't think a few Hail Mary's and a coupls "Our Fathers" are going to fix this one however. For those that don't know about my SHITuation, I am living in Munich Germany but come from the states. I recently (3 months ago) finally went out and plunked down the coin, and bought the following....

Siemens Pent III 933MHz 128 MB RAM 30GB HDD, PC
Roland JV 1010 Sound Module/Synthesizer
Evolution MK-149 Midi keyboard
Midiman 2x2 interface
A beautiful pair of BayerDynamics Studio Headphones
And the God father... Logic Audio Platinum (4.6/4.7)

I plan to add a dedicated 7200 rpm HDD, another 128 MB RAM, and the Delta 66 - Delta Omni I/O (mixer/audio interface/pre-amps etc...) But that is LATER!!!!!

I have owned a Fostex 4 track casette port-a-studio about a million years ago back when they were cutting edge. I never really got the hang of THAT thing either. It was not that it was a difficult piece of equipment, I was just 16 and more worried about writing that next Stairway to Heaven than learning how to record. So I sold it after a few demo attempts.

Ok well after I got home from the music store here in Munich, I opened the box and screwed with the Roland JV 1010 sound module for a few days and read the manual cover to cover. I am now a certified MASTER of this piece of equipment as far as playing it. I installed the driver for the Midiman 2x2 and get it recognized in the ISB port. No problems so far. Then I opened the box for the Audio Logic Platinum, and I heaved out that King James Bible sized manual, and the two other smaller manuals marked: Instilation manual, and quick guide. Then burried in the bottom of the box was the ONE compact disc CD-ROM that IS Audio Logic. So I installed that baby and felt like Christopher Columbus when I clicked on that little icon for the first time and prepared for my journey into this undiscovered country. But in this version of this old tale, I am being chased back to Spain with my tail between my legs by the indians.

I knew that this was a hell of a monster of a program. But as arrogant as most guys are I thought... HOW DIFFICULT CAN IT REALLY BE??? Dudes, I could really honestly cry. I can get it to do SHIT!!!! I got so frustrated that I ordered a "How to Book" written by some Brit named Stephen Bennett. And he might be a freakin genius as fas as software sequencers go... but I am a total beginner and so his book was only a little more clear than the GREEK manual(s) by E-magic.
So I studied up on my German, and went back to the music store where I bought it and talked to the guy. He was really great. He sat me down and tried to explain it to me. He even saved to a diskette an AUTOLOAD page with the environemnts all set up like he has HIS set up with EXACTLY the same hardware (Roland jv 1010, Midiman2x2, Evolution 149). So I was like... HELL YEAH, now all I have to do it plug and play. Well when I pluged in the damn disk it brought up what he had saved PERFECT. My main problem was... I don't hear a damn metronome click. I have no idea how to get one to be there. Well, the metronome was there in the music studio, then he saved the screen sets EXACTLY like he had them. But here in my home, it LOOKS the same as he had it but NO METRONOME click.

I know there is a CD-ROM for like $80 that I can order that has the whole thing clearly done... But Renault Autos that I was working for pulled out of Munich and so my whole devision is now unemployeed. I have about $500 in my account and no job, and a German girlfriend that I am not trying to leave here. So I have to find a new job here I HOPE... and I can't afford a new $80 CD-ROM tutorial. I have seen the E-magic homepage and the user pages that people have set up for Audio Logic. But they are all so advanced. Does anyone know of a website JUST LIKE THIS ONE where I can go in and post questions or better yet chat in real time with more seaseoned Audio Logic Users and get someone to walk me through just a simple set up. I have heard that once you get the environments set up right, then it is all down hill from there. I just want to hear a metronome and figure out how to get my Roland JV 1010 to work with this program. Hell the JV 1010 came with some kind of Sound Diver CD ROM program that was specifically designed to work with Audio Logic. But I still can't seem to figure anything out.

I am not an idiot. Thought it must seem this way. I have no iedea if something is wrong. If there is a broken link somewhere in my chain. If it is a hardware problem, software, idiot problem... I just don't know. I have been dillegently fü[*ing with this program for 3 months and been back to the music store so many times that it is getting quite embarassing. Can anyone give me a place to look on the web? I never took guitar lessons but I would pay someone $50 an hour just to come show me how to work this damn program (if I had the money).

ANY advice or tips would be helpful. And really, please, save the sarcasm, and "I told you so's". I knew when I bought it all it was a lot but what is done is done. So please only help, not BS.

Truely thankful in advance,
Mike
 
hahahahahaha ROFL

Then I opened the box for the Audio Logic Platinum, and I heaved out that King James Bible sized manual,

THats the funniest statement I've heard all week.

Does it not get frustrating though, trying to get something to work and its just not happening?

I have a jv1010 environment, and It took me two days to get it to even play or click. I still don't know how to make an audio object show up in my arrange window. I successfuly created the audio object in the environment, but it just will not show up in the freaking arrange window.


Anyhow, I don't have the program in front of me, but here is how I got the click and the jv1010 to play.


Go to your environment on the left, select click and ports:

click on the click button and select the output port. I have 4 midi out ports, and it was easy to select which one I wanted. That solved the problem. I think the problem with the click is that the environment might still be setup for his midi driver, if that is possible.

To get the 1010 to play, I had to also select the midi out port for each midi channel, and this was the one that got me frustrated. THere was freaking nowhere to selct a port.

The way I found it was, I looked in a regular environment, and noted where the midi out selector was, and then went back into my jv1010 environment and clicked there. To my surprise, it woked, even though there was NOTHING there

Anyhow, to do that, Go to the arrange window and select a midi channel. under where it says jv1010, on the left of the screen, click there and the ouptut selector should show.


I'll go look at it and make sure that I gave you correct information.
If you need some more help, I'll be happy to help as much as I can with the beast of a program.
 
open main audio recording window.....click on options.....click on recording options.....there you will see some options for midi click .click while recording .speaker click etc.
Or on the TRANSPORT.the thing that works like a tape player.you will see what looks like a triangle with a stick on it(along the top).click on this and go to recording options that way....
Welcome to the world of swearing at computers:D
 
Midi Click

Mike,

I feel your pain. The midi click function on Logic can be difficult. The problem you're having could be a number of things. Try this first. (I'm not in my studio at the moment, so bear with me if I'm not precisely accurate.)

In the arrange window, find the midi click which should be assigned to one of your midi tracks--may be near the bottom--you may have to scroll down to find it. If there is no midi click assigned to a track, you can assign it to a track. To do this, click on one of the midi channels on the left until the pop up menu appears. Find MIDI click in the pop up menu and assign it to that channel by releasing the mouse button.

Now check the track parameters box for the MIDI click track. If you've got the track or channel that the MIDI click is assigned to, the track parameters box will say "MIDI click" at the top. The track parameters box will be on the far left side of the screen under the box for object parameters that usually says "MIDI THRU". In this box you can set the parameters for your midi interface (I also use the MIDISPORT 2x2 usb, by the way) and your sound module. Make sure the click information is going to the sound module you want it to, on the midi channel you want it to, and that the beat and bar check boxes are checked. I usually assign the midi click to midi channel 10 as that is where my mapped drum patches usually are anyway.

Now you will have to make sure that "Polyphonic click" is checked in the checkbox in the Recording Options menu under Options in the main menu.

I wish could be there to walk you through this problem. I think you'll figure it out when you start to understand how Logic routes midi info. The Environment is the trickiest and deepest part of the program and can be super-confusing. Once you figure it out, I'd suggest saving your studio configuration as a "template" file that you can use whenever starting on a new song.

PS: I'm working with Logic Audio 4.6.2 & 4.7 on a MAC. I hope the Windows version isn't terribly different. I'd be happy to try to answer your questions via email if you'd like.

Good luck and hang in there!

Bill
 
Man, thanks guys for such detailed answers!!!!

God Thaks guys,
Really I will have to print and re-read all these posts to go over them.

I just have one more quick question that maybe you guys can dish up an anwer to.

At the moment my computer doesn't have ANY speakers. No $10,000 monitors, and not even $15 speakers from Wal*Mart's electronics department. When I want to hear an MP3 on the internet or whatever, I just plug my headphones into the back of the computer and listen. I have been meaning to get around to buying some cheapies just to hear SOMETHING. Anyway.... does it really matter at this point as far as home recording goes, that I do not have speakers? I have always just pluged my head phones into the "phones" jack on the Roland JV 1010 to hear what I am playing.

What I am asking is... will this mystical midi-click be coming out of speakers or from the Roland. Should I be able to hear it from the "phones" jack of the Roland, or have I benn an idiot all along and it would be coming from the computer speakers that I do not have? I pluged the headphones into the back of the computer where I always listen to MP3 etc... and still heard no Midi click.

At the moment, are speakers a must? I would like to save my money and get some real monitors some day. I knew when I started this project studio that I would be using head phones in the beginning until I released my first multi-platinum album and can afford something else <smile>. I just can't imagine that some cheap speakers are a must at this time. What do you think?

Mike
 
Mike, I dont have Logic, but I would assume you can route the midi-click metronome to the JV 1010, should be easy.

Speakers? Of course not, not now anyways. No money=no speakers in my book, why get a pair of crap speakers if you have good headphones. Headphones personally give me a headache, I hate them, but I would rather have 15 bucks than crap speakers if I was low on cash.

I know I have told you this before, but If I were you I would consider downloading a demo of something easier, like Cakewalk Home studio or N-tracks, and learn the basics there before tackling Logic, which according to many folks is very complex to learn. I have worked with it a few times, and found it much harder than Cakewalk.
BTW, if you are still in Munchen in October, you can buy me a beer ( Oh wait, no job, I can buy you a beer). I am playing there again. Come to think of it, I think I was the first one to Recommend the JV1010, Midisport and Evolution Keyboard to you, right? If so, you should buy the beer if you like that setup. Just dont take me to the Hofbrau House, I go to Munich every year, that place is getting boring. Cheers, Dave
 
logic sends a click out of your midi drivers to you midi module, so you should b able to hear the click from the headphone out of the jv1010.

This reminds me though that you can choose the pc speaker as the midi click. So check the options or preferences and make sure that the midi click is going where you want it to go.
 
Thanks DavidK

Yes David, you were the first one to suggest my current set up to me. And you were 100% right about the JV 1010. It really is a perfect little jewel. I haven't gotten into exploring it's full possibilities yet, because I only need to use the drum and bass sounds at the moment, and only tinker around with the other sounds in my spare time between curse words directed at Logic Audio.

I just wanted to reply and say thanks a million for the advice a few months ago. You actually e-mailed me a few times and were "intrumental" in helping me with my decission(s) on what I needed to get.

When you come to Munich I would be more than happy to buy you a beer. The Maß cost about 12-DM these days at the Oktoberfest. I can swing that easily. Make sure and tell me when you will be in Munich, and even if I don't buy you a beer I would at least like to see your band play.

Thanks again,
Mike
 
I have had Logic a week. Here is a list of what I like and don't like.

What I like:
1. It is very configurable
2. It doesn't crash.
3. The Hyper Edit is sweet.
4. Surround Mixing
5. The bundled plug-ins cover just about everything you use on a regular basis.

What I Don't Like:
1. It is too damn configurable and you need to spend the first day just getting the environment set up which is frustrating because the manual is so damn big.
2. If you are not into MIDI and are just recording, you have to learn all about MIDI anyway because that is how they do automation.
3. Mixdowns via the bounce button are real-time. I really liked that Cubase can Mixdown a 10 minute project in 3 minutes.
 
What does Logic automation have to do with midi? Pick one (or more) of the automation tracks, hit record, move the faders in the track mixer. Am I missing the connection? I never touched anything midi-related in my first 9 months of using Logic (before I bought my midi keyboard controller) and I recorded my ass off, using automation in every project. The only connection I see is if you use Hyperdraw for volume automation it shows midi values 0-127 instead of decibel values, but you don't really need to pay any attention to those numbers.
 
If that is the only way you do automation it is true. However, I have a MotorMix which is a Midi Mixing control surface and it is not as simple as just pluging it in and it works.
 
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