Yamaha MG102 Pros & Cons ??

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The Paul White one Music and Production Techniques is superb - enough depth to be worth reading, without giving you all the wrong answers, but really really helpful stuff. I have hardly put it down since getting it 18 months ago.
 
noisedude said:
The Paul White one Music and Production Techniques is superb -
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Paul White.... Cool! I'll look into that one. I would like to see it before I buy it, to see if I'm going to like it. I'm a different animal than most people. I work in IT but I'm self taught. So the way that I work things, is get books that are technical and I use them as reference.

I really hate those books that go into the history of something, and who created it and how. I could really care less. If I cared, I would have looked it up, but I like books that go to the source of the issue.

Anyway, thanks again noisedude. I'll check out the book you are talking about and see some reviews about it. If I can pick it up and look at it somewhere I will.
 
It's certainly not a book you'd dislike. I'm self-taught too and now that I'm studying this stuff properly at university it makes me wish I'd stuck with learning on my own!!

Paul White has a load of other books .. I got a little one about studio design and building recently to try and ease myself gradually into understanding room acoustics.
 
Hey Folks

Thanks for all the information. I decided to get both the Yamaha MG10/2 and an audiocard. I went for the E-MU 0404 at first, but I saw that a lot of people were having software issues, and the one's that weren't did confess that the Creative Software is not easy to understand or use.

I went with the Delta 44. I love it, and I could not be happier, with the results that I had gotten. I first got the Yamaha and it made a significant difference from the Behringer U802. The Yamaha got rid of 90% of the signal hiss. I knew I was then limited by my soundcard.
I installed the Delta 44 and I could probably record a flee on a nat's ass wispering. The dam recording is so quiet that it's awsome.

My wife now (of course she says this everytime I upgrade the equipment) says we sound like a professional studio. I just nod, but I know we are a world away from that.
Anyway, thanks for everything.
 
Dracon said:
Hey Folks

I first got the Yamaha and it made a significant difference from the Behringer U802. The Yamaha got rid of 90% of the signal hiss.
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You realize, now, you are morally obligated to steer others away from Behringer, right?

Alright, just kidding. Behringer has its niche, just not in my house.

BTW, I've had the Delta 44 for many years now, and have had no problems and still feel no need to upgrade. Enjoy.
 
Glad you're happy. You're not a million miles away from where I was very recently now, I will be using a Delta 44 for the indefinite future I suspect. My MG is in my monitoring chain now, but it's still a superb little piece of gear.

I am a little suspicious of the E-MUs, because I have only ever been annoyed by every Creative product I've ever used. I'd rather go for M-Audio ... they make simple, good gear and seem to have solid drivers.
 
leddy said:
You realize, now, you are morally obligated to steer others away from Behringer, right?
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Yes, Master. This young Audio Padawan has learned the error of his ways.
The AUDIO Masters have taught me much, and I have not been a worthy student. :(

I shall never again betray the wisdom of the Audio Masters. :D

I agree with you, it is all in what you are trying to accomplish. I first got the Behringer to show to my wife that we could do this at home without breaking the bank. Once she was convinced and she thought we were at Studio Level I informed her that we had a little ways to go ($200 more to be exact) in order to provide our product to consumers.

We will eventually (one day, maybe) probably end up at a studio to either get the final mixdown, or at a mastering studio to get the final Mastering mixdown done. However, for now we will be recording and mixing at home and then once we have started selling something, we will go to the next level.
This will probably serve my needs for at least a couple of months. :)
 
noisedude said:
I am a little suspicious of the E-MUs, because I have only ever been annoyed by every Creative product I've ever used. I'd rather go for M-Audio ... they make simple, good gear and seem to have solid drivers.
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Well I work in IT. I have worked in Q&A (Quality & Assesment) Testing, production, software design, software engineering, training, systems engineering, systems administration, and other odd jobs and ends.
If I had a second computer at home (to play around) I would have gone and put an E-MU 0404 on my system and test it, worked out the kinks and gotten a pretty good card. As things go, I do not want my system to go down, and I do not want to test my system.

When I can't do the testing, I go with reliability. While it is true that the E-MU has a forum, while Audiophile does not have a forum. The question is why does E-MU even need a forum? A FAQ and a Knowledgebase section should be enough to handle 90% of all users problems.

Is M-Audio perfect and E-MU the devil? No, I don't believe that about anything, or anyone especially corporations which live or die based on their consumers. If E-MU product was crap, they would be out of business or close to it. Anyway, I already went on a tangent in another forum.

I'm very very satisfied with the Delta 44 I like to compare it to the Honda Accord. It may not be the best in the market, nor the most luxurious card in the market. However, for the money it's the most reliable and one of the best performing cards in the market.
 
That's probably fair. As with anyone, I can only go on annecdotal evidence, and I don't like Creative drivers. But I haven't tried the E-MU cards, if I come to expand I will certainly look at them.

MOTU is a lot closer to perfect ;)
 
noisedude said:
That's probably fair. As with anyone, I can only go on annecdotal evidence, and I don't like Creative drivers. But I haven't tried the E-MU cards, if I come to expand I will certainly look at them.

MOTU is a lot closer to perfect ;)
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Oh I don't blame you for not desiring to work countless hours trying to figure out some obscure driver problem in the event you installed in on a tuesday, during a full moon, and high tide. Like I said I chose reliability. MOTU may be a lot closer to perfect but Goku can kick MOTU's ass. :D

Sorry, I don't know what MOTU is, so I tried making a funny. I'll have to lookup what the heck is MOTU or is that an abreviation like IMO?
 
Mark of the Unicorn. Higher end converters and interfaces. Not the top of the range, but high enough to be a pipe dream for my wallet!
 
Well... IMHO I think all this abreviation stuff has just gone crazy.

I mean WWPD if we no longer type out our messages. We no longer live in a WYSIWYG world. Hold on BRB.... AFK ...BAK anyway, as I was saying FWIW all this business of abbreviating is just a PITA and sometimes it can be a PITRA too. I mean IMNA but I think it will eventually end up someon in jail.
IIRC there used to be a time when the written word was golden.

Anyway SYL! :D

Translation
IMHO - In My Humble Opinion
WWPD - What Would People Do
WYSIWYG- What You See Is What You Get
BRB - Be Right Back
AFK - Away From Keyboard
BAK - Back At Keyboard
FWIW - For What its Worth
PITA - Pain In The Ass
PITRA - Pain in the Royal Ass
IMNA - I'm Not a Lawyer
IIRC - If I remember Correctly
SYL- See You Later
 
Sorry noisedude, I couldn't resist. Maybe someday I'll post something about recording.

As for the high end stuff. It's only a faint glimmer in my eye. Would I love to have a perfectly flat recording room, with a seperate control room, several mics, the best mixers, pre-amps, acoustic guitars, electric guitars, keyboards, a couple of bass guitars, and a drum set. Not to mention clients that I could provide them the best enviorment to perform their art.

Yeah. Right now though, I have converted my Office/spare bedroom/music room/library/storage room/craft room/sewing room/gaming room/drawing room into a Office/spare bedroom/music room/library/storage room/craft room/sewing room/gaming room/drawing room/home recording studio room.
It's actually the most under utilized room in my house. :rolleyes: Not!
If we didn't have a bed the size of a midsize car, we should probably have used this room as the master bedroom, and the master as the spare bedroom. :)
 
It's all good. Now if you can tell me what YMMV stands for, I'll be very happy indeed.
 
Mileage, not milage. Sorry about that.
Something like: "You may have more (or less) experience with this particular subject than I have".
 
Ah ... ok. I think it might make more sense in context. I'll check out for it in future.
 
"MOTU may be a lot closer to perfect but Goku can kick MOTU's ass.

Sorry, I don't know what MOTU is, so I tried making a funny."

As nerdy as it makes me feel, I have to say that I find that quite humorous and entertaining.

Well, I didn't exactly laugh out loud, or really have much of a physical reaction, but on the inside I thought it was quite good. THe kinda thing that you dont laugh at because you type "haha" instead, ya know?

Aaaaaanyway, back to my reading of the thread.

Motu has recently gained the top space in my list of interfaces for the upgrade I plan to make whenever I get a job (been saying I was gonna do that since the summer) and earn enough for a new system plus a bunch more for other stuff I'm gonna need first.
 
I always interpreted YMMV as more of a "you may get more or less use/good/marginal utility out of this product/technique/guideline than I do".... sort of an extension or more focused version of IMHO etc...
 
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