Yamaha MG10/2 into soundcard help

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Hello all, I have been reading this forum for some time now, and have yet to figure out what I need to do. CAUTION... this could end up being long!

Every year I use $1250 on my Musicians Friend credit card. This year I decided to get microphones to record drums. I also bought an amp and a Mike Portnoy snare. So I was left with nothing for a new soundcard. Little did I know that my Audiophile 2496 only accepts 2 inputs. Not counting the spdif that I know nothing about.

From everything that I've read by searching in here it would seem that my mixer (Yamaha MG10/2) should allow me at least 4 outs. I was going to return the amp and get a 1010lt but I would rather not seeing as I don't have the need for that many inputs. So I was thinking about getting another 2496.

My question is... Is there a way I can get each of the four mics out to these soundcards? If so how do I do it?

I have read something about plugging a 1/4" half way into something, but I tried that and it didn't work. I am able to get the mic to a seperate channel by plugging a cable into the I/O insert, but the Yamaha manual say's not to plug into the same channel as a mic.

Let me also say that I am beginning to feel like an idiot. I am 32 years old and have been playing guitar for 23 years, you would think that I could figure this stuff out. I only recently started to record on the computer. So it's all greek to me!

Can someone please help me out.

I will be away from my PC for awhile so if someone answers with a question, I will reply later this evening.

Thanks.
 
Badlands said:
My question is... Is there a way I can get each of the four mics out to these soundcards? If so how do I do it?
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Short answer yes & no!
You can use the Insert I/O on Channels 1 & 2 to indivually send it to your soundcard. However, the Channels 3/4 & 5/6 do not give you Insert I/O. You can use your mixer as a mixer and combine all signals by sending it to your card via the ST OUT to your card (but you probably already knew that).

Badlands said:
I have read something about plugging a 1/4" half way into something, but I tried that and it didn't work. I am able to get the mic to a seperate channel by plugging a cable into the I/O insert, but the Yamaha manual say's not to plug into the same channel as a mic.
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I'm not sure I understood here. What the Yamaha says is don't use both the XLR & the LINE at the same time on the same channel. However the Insert I/O is to be used on the channel when either the XLR or the LINE are used. Also you don't have to use the 1/4" half way, just use a TS (instead of a TRS).

By the way the I/O uses the Tip to send the Ring to Return the signal and the Sleeve as a ground. So when you use a TS (no signal can come back) and putting ground on to the Return will not damange anything.

Badlands said:
Can someone please help me out.
Thanks.
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Hope this helped.
 
Badlands said:
Not counting the spdif that I know nothing about.

From everything that I've read by searching in here it would seem that my mixer (Yamaha MG10/2) should allow me at least 4 outs.
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SPIDF is used to combine the M-Audio Cards together.

Technically the MG 10/2 would give you 6 outs (depends how you count and what you consider an out).

Channel 1 & 2 have Insert I/O (That's 2 independent outs)
ST OUT (2 OUTS)
REC OUT (2 OUTS)

If you count the C-R OUT (2 OUTS) that makes it 8 outs, but he C-R out is mainly for the Monitor Speakers not really for the soundcard. If you send the C-R OUT to the soundcard you'll have some signal loss. Anyway, the C-R out and the ST-OUT as well as the REC OUT give you all ten channels mixed together.
 
Dracon said:
SPIDF is used to combine the M-Audio Cards together.

Technically the MG 10/2 would give you 6 outs (depends how you count and what you consider an out).

Channel 1 & 2 have Insert I/O (That's 2 independent outs)
ST OUT (2 OUTS)
REC OUT (2 OUTS)

If you count the C-R OUT (2 OUTS) that makes it 8 outs, but he C-R out is mainly for the Monitor Speakers not really for the soundcard. If you send the C-R OUT to the soundcard you'll have some signal loss. Anyway, the C-R out and the ST-OUT as well as the REC OUT give you all ten channels mixed together.
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Remember though, the Inserts are reversed-phased on the MG mixers. You can't use the inserts AND the Stereo/Group outs to record the same source.

If you need four outs, you can use the Stereo and Group outs (4 outputs) like Dracn said. You can monitor the signal via the headphone jack or control room output.

In case you don't know how:
Track one - Select Stereo and pan hard left
Track two - Select Stereo and pan hard right
Track three - Select Group and pan hard left
Track four - Select Group and pan hard right

Send each one to a channel on your soundcard.

Make sure the "to ST" button is not pressed or the Group bus will be added to the Stereo bus.

You can now have four mics on four separate channels while monitoring them.

If you can swing a hundred bucks or so, get a Delta 44 soundcard (4 inputs, great quality).
 
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Thanks everyone! For know I am just concerned with having the bass drum mic on a track by itself, the other three I will just combine. Can someone tell me how to do that?

I am running the left record out to my soundcard, and the channel one I/O to my soundcard. Is this the way to go, or should I use the AUX send or something?

Thanks.
 
Badlands said:
Thanks everyone! For know I am just concerned with having the bass drum mic on a track by itself, the other three I will just combine. Can someone tell me how to do that?

I am running the left record out to my soundcard, and the channel one I/O to my soundcard. Is this the way to go, or should I use the AUX send or something?

Thanks.
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No, don't combine inserts and stereo/grp outs.

Just use the stereo or group outs and pan hard right or left to separate the tracks.
 
leddy said:
Make sure the "to ST" button is not pressed or the Group bus will be added to the Stereo bus.
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The Yamaha 10/2 does not have this option, and it also does not have a Group Out either.

Without using the Insert I/O from Channel 1 & 2 you only have the REC OUT (RCA Jacks) and the ST OUT which are essentially the same OUTs with different connectors.

So I would say you could do like leddy said. Pan your Bass drum right, and everything else left. As far as your software I'm not sure what you are using. In the software I use, I can record, Stereo, Mono (combining L & R) or record either L or R seperate on each track. I would record the bass drum on one track recording only the R input and record the rest on a seperate track recording only the L input.
 
Thank you Dracon! I can't believe I didn't think of that. That will work out great for now.
 
Dracon said:
Technically the MG 10/2 would give you 6 outs (depends how you count and what you consider an out).

Channel 1 & 2 have Insert I/O (That's 2 independent outs)
ST OUT (2 OUTS)
REC OUT (2 OUTS)
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Dracon I'm wondering if this is possible. How would you prevent the Rec Out signals from getting on the ST bus?

What about using the Aux Outs instead of Rec Out?
 
Bulls Hit said:
Dracon I'm wondering if this is possible. How would you prevent the Rec Out signals from getting on the ST bus?

What about using the Aux Outs instead of Rec Out?
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You can't. I didn't mean to suggest you could. In fact, in the later post I say that REC OUT and the ST OUT are really the same output with different connectors. You get the same exact signal through them and whatever you do to control one you do to the other (with the exception that the RCA are not balanced while the ST OUT is).

Yes he could use the Aux Level to either 1 or 2 to send the signal to either (I think one is pre-eq and the other is post-eq). However, he still has to pan the bass drum right and the other instruments left in order to seperate them on the ST OUT (if he is going to use the ST OUT to record). Unless he uses the AUX 1 for say bass drum and the AUX 2 for all the other instruments (same concept as the ST OUT).
 
OK, so the maximum number of discrete outs on the 10/2 is 4, right?
 
Hey, B.

You can use the inserts on 1 & 2 to get those out discretely. You can put 3 & 4 hard left and right respectively and they'll be by themselves in ST-OUT left and right.
 
ADL is right you could do that to get four distinct channels.
I think that if you do the same with the channels 7/8 & 9/10 using the Aux 1 & Aux 2 you might get six distinct signals (however, I have really not used the Aux 1 & Aux 2 so you may want to test it before you do a session).

The MG 10/2 really doesn't tell you if you do the Aux1 & 2 if it will not be sent to the ST OUT or not.
 
Dracon said:
ADL is right you could do that to get four distinct channels.
I think that if you do the same with the channels 7/8 & 9/10 using the Aux 1 & Aux 2 you might get six distinct signals (however, I have really not used the Aux 1 & Aux 2 so you may want to test it before you do a session).

The MG 10/2 really doesn't tell you if you do the Aux1 & 2 if it will not be sent to the ST OUT or not.
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You can only use the AUX 1 I think. AUX 2 is post EQ. So it would be sent to the ST Fader. DAMN this mixer to HELL! J/K the pre's are nice. :D So that would make 5 individual outs. I still get the routing screwed up.

Yeah it does tell ya that AUX 2 gets sent to the ST. It states that you have to use the channel fader along with the AUX 2 fader. Routing it to the ST. APL correct this if I'm wrong.


L8er,
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apl said:
Hey, B.

You can use the inserts on 1 & 2 to get those out discretely. You can put 3 & 4 hard left and right respectively and they'll be by themselves in ST-OUT left and right.
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Right so it's really 4 outs. Using the same mechanism, my 12/4 should do 8 outs
 
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