Yamaha MG 12/4 OR Soundcraft E6

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I am looking to use a Mixer to plug a load of mics into and then have them go into a separate track on a digital recorder.

My reason is so

1, It will give it a warmer analogue sound.

2, If needed I can use the EQ just to tweak things to bring them out a little more ready for the record button.

My first question is

1, does the Soundcraft E6 have 4 busses? I am pretty sure that the Yamaha can take 12 mics and has 4 separate outs, so that 4 mics can go to 4 tracks in the recorder. the rest can just go straight into the recorder. if that's cool?

2, Out of the 2 which would give a better sound after going through it and which has the better EQ?

any help would be appreciated
 
I'm not sure using a mixer plugged into a digital recorder (soundcard?) will give your music a
warmer analogue sound.
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But I'm pretty confident that going from a mixer to an actual analogue recorder would :D
 
Mark7 said:
I'm not sure using a mixer plugged into a digital recorder (soundcard?) will give your music a

But I'm pretty confident that going from a mixer to an actual analogue recorder would :D
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I see your point :)

so you think going through a Mixer would make no difference to the sound...apart from if you used the EQ?

Could a mixer solve the latency problem with Cubase...without having to use Dir Monitoring?
 
If I was tracking to digital I'd cut everything above 16K. But, then, I'm weird like that :D

As to whether or not a mixer could solve the latency problem with Cubase. Not really my area of expertise. Sorry :o
 
1, does the Soundcraft E6 have 4 busses? I am pretty sure that the Yamaha can take 12 mics and has 4 separate outs, so that 4 mics can go to 4 tracks in the recorder. the rest can just go straight into the recorder. if that's cool?
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I just got an MG12/4 a couple weeks ago. I haven't used it too much yet, but from what I recall (I am at work)...

It only has 6 mic inputs. So you could use 6 mics. It also has line inputs fo if you have outboard preamps then you could use up to 8 I belive...unless you have a means of making them unbalanced...in which case you could also use the extra 4 unbalanced line inputs.

Now for seperation....

There are only 4 outs, but you can get 6 with the AUX from what I have read.

So 6 seperate tracks. That should be more than enough for any one source - assuming that is what you mean by "a load of mics".
 
Mark7 said:
If I was tracking to digital I'd cut everything above 16K. But, then, I'm weird like that :D

As to whether or not a mixer could solve the latency problem with Cubase. Not really my area of expertise. Sorry :o
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and why not :)
 
Outlaws said:
I just got an MG12/4 a couple weeks ago. I haven't used it too much yet, but from what I recall (I am at work)...

It only has 6 mic inputs. So you could use 6 mics. It also has line inputs fo if you have outboard preamps then you could use up to 8 I belive...unless you have a means of making them unbalanced...in which case you could also use the extra 4 unbalanced line inputs.

Now for seperation....

There are only 4 outs, but you can get 6 with the AUX from what I have read.

So 6 seperate tracks. That should be more than enough for any one source - assuming that is what you mean by "a load of mics".
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Ok well it sounds very cool, EQ is not meant to be bad either...

Am I right in thinking that i would be able to do this with it...

Mic 1 ...into Yamaha input 1, ...out of buss 1, into Tascam Recorder track 1

Mic 2 ...into Yamaha input 2, ...out of buss 2, into Tascam Recorder track 2

Mic 3 ...into Yamaha input 3, ...out of buss 3, into Tascam Recorder track 3

Mic 4 ...into Yamaha input 4, ...out of buss 4, into Tascam Recorder track 4

So on?
 
Because I use this

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Flight 16 said:
Ok well it sounds very cool, EQ is not meant to be bad either...

Am I right in thinking that i would be able to do this with it...

Mic 1 ...into Yamaha input 1, ...out of buss 1, into Tascam Recorder track 1

Mic 2 ...into Yamaha input 2, ...out of buss 2, into Tascam Recorder track 2

Mic 3 ...into Yamaha input 3, ...out of buss 3, into Tascam Recorder track 3

Mic 4 ...into Yamaha input 4, ...out of buss 4, into Tascam Recorder track 4

So on?
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Baically.

You could also then send any other mics to any of the busses and use the fader to mix then together for somehting like this....

Mic 1 ...into Yamaha input 1, ...out of buss 1, into Tascam Recorder track 1

Mic 2...3...4...etc.


Mic 5 ...into outboard preamp and into a line input on the Yamaha, then sub mix with Mic 1 into to buss 1, and out into Tascam Recorder track 1.


Or you could just get a good mix of all your mics and mix to two tracks to save the confussion of having 6 mic tracks for one instrument while mixing.
 
One other thing.

If you are dead serious about using a lot of mics, more than you have outboard pres to accomplish, then you might really want to think about holding off for a MG16/4. There will be a lot more routing options available with the extra channels.

I am not sure how many AUX send it has, but it is still only a 4 buss model. But still, you will have 8 (I think) mic inputs. (It might say 10, if I remember, but 2 of those are stereo channels. So its really only one mic, or a L/R line in for each of those strips.)
 
Outlaws said:
Baically.

You could also then send any other mics to any of the busses and use the fader to mix then together for somehting like this....

Mic 1 ...into Yamaha input 1, ...out of buss 1, into Tascam Recorder track 1

Mic 2...3...4...etc.


Mic 5 ...into outboard preamp and into a line input on the Yamaha, then sub mix with Mic 1 into to buss 1, and out into Tascam Recorder track 1.


Or you could just get a good mix of all your mics and mix to two tracks to save the confussion of having 6 mic tracks for one instrument while mixing.
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Ok it sounds good, I would not want to do you later suggestion as I would want to have it all separate as they my go on to be re mixed ..so on, I just wanted to have the option and squeezing a little bass on the bass drum mic...toms....so on, then taking it into Cubase to clean it up.

I figured , bass drum, snare, tom,tom, all through the Yamaha and into the recorder separate, and 2 over heads and ambient mic straight into the recorder.

this would allow me to tweak the individual drums using the Yamaha...(should they need it)

I also think the Yamaha can help me do away with my Direct Monitoring on the Tascam US-122, as if I come out of my PC into the Mixer, then plug speakers into mixer, go through the Yamaha into to PC, that should sort out Latency issues will it not?? ..if imp making since :)
 
Oh. lol

I thought you meant lots of mics on one instrument like an acoustic guitar or vocal. Drums is a different ball game. You definately want that all seperate if possible.
 
Flight 16 said:
I am looking to use a Mixer to plug a load of mics into and then have them go into a separate track on a digital recorder.

My reason is so

1, It will give it a warmer analogue sound.

2, If needed I can use the EQ just to tweak things to bring them out a little more ready for the record button.

My first question is

1, does the Soundcraft E6 have 4 busses? I am pretty sure that the Yamaha can take 12 mics and has 4 separate outs, so that 4 mics can go to 4 tracks in the recorder. the rest can just go straight into the recorder. if that's cool?

2, Out of the 2 which would give a better sound after going through it and which has the better EQ?

any help would be appreciated
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Soundcraft is owned by Harmon now. This pretty much guarantees that they will be on the quality level of Behringer pretty soon. If you have to have one, get it soon.............

But, the Yamahas are showing themselves to be really good boards. Not on the level with Soundcraft (of old, and hopefully new). Check out both if you can and see for yourself. Soundcraft has historically had better pre-amps and EQ than Yamaha stuff.
 
Outlaws said:
Oh. lol

I thought you meant lots of mics on one instrument like an acoustic guitar or vocal. Drums is a different ball game. You definately want that all seperate if possible.
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well i was thinking everyone has there crazy methods :) its all good
 
acorec said:
Soundcraft is owned by Harmon now. This pretty much guarantees that they will be on the quality level of Behringer pretty soon. If you have to have one, get it soon.............

But, the Yamahas are showing themselves to be really good boards. Not on the level with Soundcraft (of old, and hopefully new). Check out both if you can and see for yourself. Soundcraft has historically had better pre-amps and EQ than Yamaha stuff.
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I think Yamaha are cool as its rare you get something from them thats poor,

and for what I have seen there are not any low budget Soundcraft mixers that have more than 2 busses...unless I am mistaken
 
The options are a bit better with a larger console like the 16/4. If I were tracking drums that is what I would get. Plus the thing about mixing two mics to one channel isn't always bad. Ex. A close mic on snare with a shotgun mic from the ceiling pointed towards it and then mixed to taste for a nice snare sound without needing 2 seperate tracks on top of all the other tracks. just some fyi
 
Outlaws said:
The options are a bit better with a larger console like the 16/4. If I were tracking drums that is what I would get. Plus the thing about mixing two mics to one channel isn't always bad. Ex. A close mic on snare with a shotgun mic from the ceiling pointed towards it and then mixed to taste for a nice snare sound without needing 2 seperate tracks on top of all the other tracks. just some fyi
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yeah that sounds cool. i will look into it more, cheers
 
I agree with Outlaws. For what you want to do a console with more channels and busses would be the way to go. Something like this Tascam 2516 maybe. :)
 
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