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Titanship
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Can anyone give me any insight/opinion on the YAMAHA AW4416 16-TRACK? I'll check archives, but wanted to throw the question out anyway. Thanks.
darrin_h2000
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True Its the King amoung 16 tracks but If you dont need the automated faders the Korg d1600 is just as good.
for 300.00 more the 24 track from roland has automated faders too. Id go for the roland for my money.
for 300.00 more the 24 track from roland has automated faders too. Id go for the roland for my money.
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Titanship
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Thanks D,
I also noticed the Yamaha 2816. I assume it has fewer bells/whisles. Eight faders instead of 16. I don't like that.
I'll take a look at the Roland and Korg. thanks much!
I also noticed the Yamaha 2816. I assume it has fewer bells/whisles. Eight faders instead of 16. I don't like that.
I'll take a look at the Roland and Korg. thanks much!
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The Green Hornet
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Yo Titanship still Afloat:]
If you read/check the posts around here, you will find most say the Yamaha 4416 is superior to Roland or Korg or any of them when it comes to sound.
Now, I've just ordered the AW2816 which costs a few centons less than the AW4416. I just got a comfirmation of delivery from my supplier on my answering machine. There was also a note that if I wanted the 4416, that box was available for about 500 pezzutos more than the 2816; this a quite a drop in price on the 4416.
I've heard the 4416 has a difficult learning curve. On the other hand, the 2816 is "supposed" to be easier to operate.
Roland, at the moment, does not have a CDR mix down in their units; you have to buy the CDR. The Yamaha unit has the CDR mixdown unit contained and it is 24 bit.
Something tells me that the 2816 is a better unit; it is newer and the street price is around 2k but you can do better if you shop the 800 numbers.
It all depends on what you want. I've been using the Yam MD8 for a couple of years; it's all right but NOT 24 bit sound and it has no CDR to mix down to; so, I've solved that problem by getting this unit and not having to buy a CDR box to mix to.
I'd check it out before getting the "other" units or I'd try to hear the units before dropping the cash.
Green Hornet
If you read/check the posts around here, you will find most say the Yamaha 4416 is superior to Roland or Korg or any of them when it comes to sound.
Now, I've just ordered the AW2816 which costs a few centons less than the AW4416. I just got a comfirmation of delivery from my supplier on my answering machine. There was also a note that if I wanted the 4416, that box was available for about 500 pezzutos more than the 2816; this a quite a drop in price on the 4416.
I've heard the 4416 has a difficult learning curve. On the other hand, the 2816 is "supposed" to be easier to operate.
Roland, at the moment, does not have a CDR mix down in their units; you have to buy the CDR. The Yamaha unit has the CDR mixdown unit contained and it is 24 bit.
Something tells me that the 2816 is a better unit; it is newer and the street price is around 2k but you can do better if you shop the 800 numbers.
It all depends on what you want. I've been using the Yam MD8 for a couple of years; it's all right but NOT 24 bit sound and it has no CDR to mix down to; so, I've solved that problem by getting this unit and not having to buy a CDR box to mix to.
I'd check it out before getting the "other" units or I'd try to hear the units before dropping the cash.
Green Hornet
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Titanship
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Yo, Hornetdude,
Thanks for the skinny on the tables. I've never "fooled" with automation, so the fact that the 2816 has only 8 faders for 16 tracks gives me the willies. Sound quality does have #1 priority though.
I'm scared of the learning curve, cause I wanna record it now- you know what I'm sayin? Be sure and post after you get yours.
Thanks, Titan
PlayItLive
Thanks for the skinny on the tables. I've never "fooled" with automation, so the fact that the 2816 has only 8 faders for 16 tracks gives me the willies. Sound quality does have #1 priority though.
I'm scared of the learning curve, cause I wanna record it now- you know what I'm sayin? Be sure and post after you get yours.
Thanks, Titan
PlayItLive
darrin_h2000
Banned
Learning curve?
Automated faders are the shit and make things alot easier. The older rolands had a bit of a rep for having mic pres on board that arent that good but the New Generation Is Ok. I was told that the Yamaha 4416 Had the same mixing unit as the 02R which meand 20 Bit a/d converters so Ive been hesitant to Give it my 100% approval. The Korgs price is right compared to the other units and two can be synced together,Imagine 32 tracks for less than 16 Yamaha tracks and 24 bit a/d converters as well. You can get a burner for them but you really want to use outboard effects for mastering and a burner on your pc Is alot better.
Automated faders are the shit and make things alot easier. The older rolands had a bit of a rep for having mic pres on board that arent that good but the New Generation Is Ok. I was told that the Yamaha 4416 Had the same mixing unit as the 02R which meand 20 Bit a/d converters so Ive been hesitant to Give it my 100% approval. The Korgs price is right compared to the other units and two can be synced together,Imagine 32 tracks for less than 16 Yamaha tracks and 24 bit a/d converters as well. You can get a burner for them but you really want to use outboard effects for mastering and a burner on your pc Is alot better.
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Henri Devill
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Darrin..Do the Korgs have automated mixing features ?Not moving faders but VCA type of thing?Someday I'de like to move up from my setup now and that seems like a good deal at less than half the price!
Don
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darrin_h2000
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My current Korg does, But I dont have a d1600.
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The Green Hornet
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Yo converter people:
The Yamaha AW2816 does have two 32 bit onboard effects including reverb. It has a 20 GB IDE hard drive. [lots of recording time]
It has 16 track plus stereo and 24 bits. It has CD-RW capabilities.
It has 32 bit DSP capabilities [whatever that means exactly is unclear]
It is new out of NAMM. The sound is supposed to very good.
Only thing I'm not sure of is the converters. But I don't have any major stars as clients so I'm going to give it a go. It is on the way. Will post about the box when I open it up.
Green Hornet
The Yamaha AW2816 does have two 32 bit onboard effects including reverb. It has a 20 GB IDE hard drive. [lots of recording time]
It has 16 track plus stereo and 24 bits. It has CD-RW capabilities.
It has 32 bit DSP capabilities [whatever that means exactly is unclear]
It is new out of NAMM. The sound is supposed to very good.
Only thing I'm not sure of is the converters. But I don't have any major stars as clients so I'm going to give it a go. It is on the way. Will post about the box when I open it up.
Green Hornet
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Henri Devill
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Green Hornet...Apogee makes converters for the 1644 ..these can be had for extra $..I dont know how much$They go into one of the card slots 1644 has two card slots..I belive that the 2816 has one card slot so if thats the case they should be avalable for that machine also{just a guess}..I was at Mars music today and fooled with a 1644,Theres a leaning curve to ,it but once you have the thing a couple of weeks..you will grinning ear to ear!
Don
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darrin_h2000
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If you Know your way arround an O2R mixer you can find your way arround that the layout is almost the same. I would still rather have 32 tracks for 200.00 less (2 Korg D1600's).
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The Green Hornet
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Yo Henri-Di-Ville:]
What is the 1644????? We were discussing the 2816 by Yam, and the 4416.
A Gnu unit you're talking about?
Green Hornet
What is the 1644????? We were discussing the 2816 by Yam, and the 4416.
A Gnu unit you're talking about?
Green Hornet
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Henri Devill
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Hey Hornet....Ah yes, correct 4416...Would you belive small chemical inbalance LOL!
Don
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The Green Hornet
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Yo DeVille of Cadillac:]]
I got my 2816; it's an awesome looking box and from some searching around some sites that specifically discuss the 4416 and the 2816, I learned that the 2816 has better stuff in it than the 4416; however, Yamaha, trying to cover its assets, is updating the 4416.
Saw some names from this site on the "other" site I punched in. The immediate discussion did nothing but praise the 2816, especially its SOUND. And, many good compliments on the internal reverb stuff.
I've been reading the manual, long and not organized, for the past couple of days. Glad I caught the part about shutting down the 2816 because if just turned off, damage can occur.
Read many folks who said recording on the box isn't too hard but learning the many, many ins/outs of the box will take a while.
Well, man, it took me three years to get a feel for my Yamaha DX-7 synth -- I love that keyboard and it's not a work station.
Will post more as I go along.
Happy Turkey time to you and all the gang.
Green Hornet
I got my 2816; it's an awesome looking box and from some searching around some sites that specifically discuss the 4416 and the 2816, I learned that the 2816 has better stuff in it than the 4416; however, Yamaha, trying to cover its assets, is updating the 4416.
Saw some names from this site on the "other" site I punched in. The immediate discussion did nothing but praise the 2816, especially its SOUND. And, many good compliments on the internal reverb stuff.
I've been reading the manual, long and not organized, for the past couple of days. Glad I caught the part about shutting down the 2816 because if just turned off, damage can occur.
Read many folks who said recording on the box isn't too hard but learning the many, many ins/outs of the box will take a while.
Well, man, it took me three years to get a feel for my Yamaha DX-7 synth -- I love that keyboard and it's not a work station.
Will post more as I go along.
Happy Turkey time to you and all the gang.
Green Hornet
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Titanship
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Hornet.
What kind of "stuff" are you talking about? Effects?
Titanship
What kind of "stuff" are you talking about? Effects?
Titanship
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The Green Hornet
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Yo Titan of the Titanics:]
As I progress into the manual/tutorial books, I have come to understand the procedures a bit.
On the 2816/4416, you can record a track, go to the library and punch in the reverb section and do it to the tracks, as well as EQ each track as you like.
What I think this amounts to is that the units are just like using a PC only you don't need the PC. You need to punch up the "window" you want after recording a track, tweak it as you wish, get ready to master, punch in reverb and set it as you want, all on a smaller screen but large enough to save your eyeballs.
But, what keeps coming through from some folks who have the 2816/4416 units is the SOUND IS WONDERFUL.
I hope this helps to answer your question.
Green Hornet
As I progress into the manual/tutorial books, I have come to understand the procedures a bit.
On the 2816/4416, you can record a track, go to the library and punch in the reverb section and do it to the tracks, as well as EQ each track as you like.
What I think this amounts to is that the units are just like using a PC only you don't need the PC. You need to punch up the "window" you want after recording a track, tweak it as you wish, get ready to master, punch in reverb and set it as you want, all on a smaller screen but large enough to save your eyeballs.
But, what keeps coming through from some folks who have the 2816/4416 units is the SOUND IS WONDERFUL.
I hope this helps to answer your question.
Green Hornet
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Titanship
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Yo, Green Hornet and Kato,
Thanks for the elaboration. I guess I need to jump in. It seems EVERYONE loves the sound of the Yamaha.
I have found this user forum - www.socialentropy.com/aw4416. Do you know of any others? Thanks much.
Titan
Thanks for the elaboration. I guess I need to jump in. It seems EVERYONE loves the sound of the Yamaha.
I have found this user forum - www.socialentropy.com/aw4416. Do you know of any others? Thanks much.
Titan
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atomictoyz
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I discovered one drawback that might concern some folks
While doing research for a future upgrade from the MD8 I discovered that the 4416 and 2816 truncates the 8 LSB while making the CD-R burn. Meaning Yamaha didn't think you cared about what happens to the transfer from 24 to 16. The Roland, as Ive posted other places, won't let you use the on board burner unless you done your tracking at 16/44.1. Just for your reference, save money for the Sony CDRW33 which has re-dithering (SBM) to get the quality to disk that you really want. Since most of these DAW's are software driven, they need to send out upgrades plus add at least some type of re-dithering. So use those digital outs as long as they don't truncate to.
Note:
32 bit internal processing refers to the calculations for processing the digital data. Something like 13 decimal place calculation verses 9.
Note: Any hardrive in a computer device has the potential to get the disk nicked by the read write tab, just follow the instructions and get some kinda UPS.
Peace,
Dennis
While doing research for a future upgrade from the MD8 I discovered that the 4416 and 2816 truncates the 8 LSB while making the CD-R burn. Meaning Yamaha didn't think you cared about what happens to the transfer from 24 to 16. The Roland, as Ive posted other places, won't let you use the on board burner unless you done your tracking at 16/44.1. Just for your reference, save money for the Sony CDRW33 which has re-dithering (SBM) to get the quality to disk that you really want. Since most of these DAW's are software driven, they need to send out upgrades plus add at least some type of re-dithering. So use those digital outs as long as they don't truncate to.
Note:
32 bit internal processing refers to the calculations for processing the digital data. Something like 13 decimal place calculation verses 9.
Note: Any hardrive in a computer device has the potential to get the disk nicked by the read write tab, just follow the instructions and get some kinda UPS.
Peace,
Dennis
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pokeefe777@msn
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Actually Dennis, the AW has extensive dithering capabilities. You can dither the stereo mixdown track and then burn to CD if you want. Personally, I never master to the onboard stereo tracks - I send them to my DAW for that.
Phil O'Keefe
Sound Sanctuary Recording
Riverside CA
http://www.ssrstudio.com
pokeefe777@ssrstudio.com
Phil O'Keefe
Sound Sanctuary Recording
Riverside CA
http://www.ssrstudio.com
pokeefe777@ssrstudio.com
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atomictoyz
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I read the users manual for determining whether or not the AW4416 has Dithering capabilities.
If one opens the manual to pade 29, there is a block schematic showing blocks labeled as "dither", the exact function of these blocks could be a 16 to 16 bit dither for covering up quantization noise. But if you turn to page 255 of the same manual, there is warning and I quote "When mastering is performed from a 24 bit/44.1 kHz stereo track, the lower 8 bits will be discarded when the data is written, converting it into 16 bit/44.1 kHz format." Unless Yamaha has released new manuals and omitted dithering capabilities on the lastest OS upgrade I have to stick to my original comments. Since these machines are OS driven, I would imagine upgrades to meet the emerging24 bit cd's would be in the works. If they add an connections for keyboard and PC monitor interface like the Mackie with a good graphical interface It would be a plus. I wish I wish I wish....
Peace,
Dennis
If one opens the manual to pade 29, there is a block schematic showing blocks labeled as "dither", the exact function of these blocks could be a 16 to 16 bit dither for covering up quantization noise. But if you turn to page 255 of the same manual, there is warning and I quote "When mastering is performed from a 24 bit/44.1 kHz stereo track, the lower 8 bits will be discarded when the data is written, converting it into 16 bit/44.1 kHz format." Unless Yamaha has released new manuals and omitted dithering capabilities on the lastest OS upgrade I have to stick to my original comments. Since these machines are OS driven, I would imagine upgrades to meet the emerging24 bit cd's would be in the works. If they add an connections for keyboard and PC monitor interface like the Mackie with a good graphical interface It would be a plus. I wish I wish I wish....
Peace,
Dennis