Wish Wosh noise?

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In all of my recordings there is an apparent wish wosh type noise or something in the background and I don't know if its my mics or my amps, or what....

I'll post a link for a sample:



You'll have to listen closely to hear it.

I'm using a Mesa Triple Rec. with the matching 4x12 slant cab for guitars. I have a shure sm57 mic'd right in the center of the speaker (on the cone) to get more highs. And also a groove tubes condensor mic in the middle of the room at ear hight. The 57 is on the left channel and the condensor is on the right channel...

The bass is recorded with a sm58 slightly off centered from the speaker and closer to the horn.

All my mic's go into a dual channel dbx mic pre-amp.

Any ideas? If you can't hear that noise in this song, i know another one it is pretty apparent in. I never noticed it myself until someone on another board mentioned it.
 
maybe a phase issue with your two-mic guitar rig?

I like your high-gain guitar sound, heavy!!
 
you dont use a compressor? Ive heard recordings that are compressed wit hthe alesis 3630 and thye usually make that sound.

do the mikes on your drum overheads have the phase reversed? They should. I had that prob once when I hadnt bee ncareful to do that. The DBX you have has a phase reversal on each channel
 
one other idea.. are the guitar mikes either within four inches of each other or at least 4-6 feet apart? If not you maybe gettign phasing from those mikes
 
I use that exact compressor... Damnit, how do i fix that?

I actually only use the compressor for the gate cause of the massive feed back i get with my gain on my amp... heh

As far as the mics are they are probably a good 6 feet away from each other. I don't think its a phasing problem.
 
Also I KNOW its not a drum problem...

And yeah i have that phase button on both channels of my mic pre-amp...
 
I could be totally way off, but here's a way to not have to mic your amps and get a better sound. usually, the back of the amp has an "out." Use this, and it will actually sound better! You get those crisp highs, not muddy. Just my opinion, and I could be wrong. I'm very new, but If I'm wrong, these know it alls (and I mean that in a respectable way) will correct me.
 
abrahamstokley said:
I could be totally way off, but here's a way to not have to mic your amps and get a better sound. usually, the back of the amp has an "out." Use this, and it will actually sound better! You get those crisp highs, not muddy. Just my opinion, and I could be wrong. I'm very new, but If I'm wrong, these know it alls (and I mean that in a respectable way) will correct me.
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There is no right or wrong. But there are generally accepted methods of getting the sound that has historically come to be "desireable".

In the case of guitars, in the vast majority of recordings the sound you have come to know and love has been achieved by mic'ing the amp, not using a DI (although sometimes a little DI is blended in). People are used to the mic'ed amp sound, and come to expect it. It is what they think an electric guitar "should" sound like.

In the throes of creativity, you may decide to get your guitar sound in a completely different non-standard fashion - but you run the risk of a lot of people finding it aesthetically inferior. But it's always ultimately your choice.
 
I did try that... it did not turn out very good AT ALL

I don't think mesa is meant for direct input or output or whatever...
 
Direct out on high gain guitar amps is ucky. enemyofthesun was on the right track with the 3630 comment, I didn't even think to ask. Reference the text under the header of the Alesis section of this forum (heh).
 
o0Charlie0o said:
I use that exact compressor... Damnit, how do i fix that?

I actually only use the compressor for the gate cause of the massive feed back i get with my gain on my amp... heh

As far as the mics are they are probably a good 6 feet away from each other. I don't think its a phasing problem.
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if you are only using it to quiet the gain/feedback of your guitar then put in in the fx loop of your head and not in the recording chain. Dont use the 3630 compression features if you can help it. It is pretty shitty.. (I own one too. I also fell prey to that piece of junk at one time)

Another point.. if you have so much gain that you get extremem feedback then that may be your problem. Ive run up against that as well numberous times. with TOO MUCH gain you get a washed out sound with just about any mike. Many time what sounds good live is not what records well. Try backing off the distortion/gain/overdrive somewhat and use the other tone knobs to dial in a crunchy sound with the gain lowered somewhat.
 
The compressor is in the fx loop.. It was never in the recording chain...

Also I think one of the major reasons i get that much feedback is because i'm in such a small room, and the amp is pretty loud.

But i'll give it a shot.
 
High!

IMHO, the thing with using a direct out might be worth a try. Surely the sound alone will be shit, but it may work well if you blend it with the miked sound. Even better, you might try to DI the guitar, record one track direct without anything and the otherone from the amp. Then dial in a sound you like for the direct git and blend them...

Nevertheless it won't help you with your compressor... (That could be a reason for your feedbacks, too)

Ciao

Axel
 
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