WIDER SOUND With Simply TRICKS (5 techniques)

mjbphotos

What?!?
Adding a delay to one side can give phase issues when summed to mono (lot of people are listening that way with phones and over commercial sound systems).
 

rob aylestone

Well-known member
Wide mix is better mix? Really? I kind of lost the feel of this video at that simple statement because there's no context.It then says this is the Haas Effect = it clearly is not. The Haas principles are to do with sound localisation and multiple arrival times, so with short delays, two separate sounds can be identified as a single sound and localised to the stereo field placement of the signal that arrives first. Applied to this drum sample, if it was a 'Haas effect' then it would sound like it came from the left (or right) channel, but with extra depth and width, but from a certain precise location. Then the video moves on to adding wet deep reverb - it makes the sound bigger - as in as if in a bigger space, and the example is a huge space - but it adds no width - just the big flabby reverb.

I don't think the word 'wide' is the right one here at all - all the effects are well known and add extra space, depth, loads of reflections, phasing and flutters - but width? Not a word I would use. Width is dependent on where the speakers are, and often goes badly wrong with headphones. Depth and filling the sound field with reflections is NOT adding width. Taking a snare or kick sample and delaying one is a great tool (and a very old one) to thicken a thin sounding percussive sound. Nothing new here I'm thinking? I don't like these videos because people who are just starting off will learn this delay and pan technique as a 'widening' tool - and it is not. Thickening and filling is VERY different from widening, where the only way to make something go outside the width of your left-to right speaker panning is by adding polarity shifts which get detected as sounds being in places outside the two speaker's left to right field. Those bizarre tricks that can sort of make a sound appear to come from behind.
 
Excellent tutorial! It is exactly what I needed to watch right now. I really like how it's short and to the point. It doesn't talk about a LOT of techniques (which can create confusion) but focuses instead on the main ones and mostly importantly, the core concepts that really matter. I liked the technique where you duplicate a sound pan them hard left/right and change some things in one of them - pitch, effect, etc (instead of delaying them) When I do the Haas effect I feel like the sound is coming more from the left as opposed to the center, So I was looking for an alternative. Will try the above-mentioned technique to make the mid to high frequency of my bass wider in my new Techno track that I'm working on right now. Thanks!
 

jimmys69

MOODerator
Space, the final frontier....

It is common for people to think that width is a good thing. We as old guy remember the 'spacial' button on boom boxes. For year I tried to achieve that sound.

Well, it was just a muse on a particular device. The hass effect can be used in moderation, but I have found better ways via layering.

That being said, I do really like Soundtoys Microshift. Is adds a bit of chorus effect and delay by shifting the sides separately so they don't collapse in mono. But it is not the substitute for good production and tracking.
 
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