why use a mixdown deck?

  • Thread starter Thread starter nate_dennis
  • Start date Start date
nate_dennis

nate_dennis

Well-known member
So I've been doing some thinkin'. Why use a mixdown deck anymore? I mean, most people go analog to get the punch and warmth of tape. By mixdown you've already achieved that. You don't add any more (I don't think . . . but I could be wrong) by using another deck . . .

why not just mix to a computer where we all have to send tracks anyway for distribution? Just my thoughts and questions. . . can't wait to hear back from you all on this.
 
So I've been doing some thinkin'. Why use a mixdown deck anymore? I mean, most people go analog to get the punch and warmth of tape. By mixdown you've already achieved that. You don't add any more (I don't think . . . but I could be wrong) by using another deck . . .

why not just mix to a computer where we all have to send tracks anyway for distribution? Just my thoughts and questions. . . can't wait to hear back from you all on this.
Because an analogue mixdown is summed using voltages whereas a digital mixdown is summed using algorithms. Older, crappier digital summing was pretty nasty and could end up getting things added together wrong and sounding bad and aliasing and all that - whereas analogue is just adding voltages together, no processing etc to glitch.

Not to say that I could hear the difference haha. Personally I like the *idea* of using an analogue mixdown desk, it just seems more natural and organic instead of being a math fest, but honestly you'd need to spend some big dollars to get an analogue desk which could replace something like Cubase LE, functionality wise anyway. IMO.
 
you'd need to spend some big dollars to get an analogue desk which could replace something like Cubase LE, functionality wise anyway. IMO.

Right, and that's what I"M thinking. If you still use an analog mixer and run the stereo outs into a decent A/D Converter into your computer you'd still end up with the warmth and punch, you still be hands on with the mixer, but youd get the functionality and inexpensiveness of digital . . . but I could be wrong. Thanks for your thoughts.
 
I can think of a few reasons, mostly aesthetic, like "Because the mixes look good on the shelf" or "Because it gives me a greater sense of achievement" or "Because it's more fun/interesting".
But from a more practical viewpoint, how about these?

1. Maybe you have a better setup, but I still have problems with reliably digitizing things. The original mix of my new album sounds like it's on vinyl, and not in a good way. Lots of clicks and skips, especially if I try to digitize under Windows, which frequently goes off to do something of its own instead of servicing the audio interrupts. In that situation, I can go back and re-digitize from the original tape. A mix direct-to-disk and I'd have to remix the whole thing if I later found clicks in it. Of course, I have also had the converse, tape dropouts and so forth, but if you're using a proper 3-head deck you'll hear those as they occur or just afterwards, on playback.

2. If and when standards move past 24/96 or 24/192, you can go back and digitize the tape again to the new standard du jour. Or, heck, say you score a new machine with better converters.

3. Cataloguing. I don't know about you but I have a great problem holding onto digital files. Sometimes I've run out of space and deleted things which I've later regretted, but most of the time I simply have so much stuff that I can't keep track of it all. Maybe you have more output than me, but it's fairly quick and easy for me to pull the tapes off the shelf and glance at the names on the back. Searching all the filesystems for all WAV files and then trying to find out which one is the final take of "Recipe for Disasters" is a problem.

4. Having the end product in as many different formats as possible increases the likelihood it can be recovered years down the line.

Actually, I'd be interested to know how you're managing backup if you're doing an all-digital setup.
 
Why use a mixdown deck??

Dummy...so you have TWO sets of reels going roundy-round at the same time. :eek:

Or how about this? Lots of critical info happening when summing. Digital clips over 0dB...analog does not. In order to keep the relative headroom in digital as in analog your program level would need to be -6 to -9 IMO...plus analog adds all those nice harmonic distortions.

Regarding digital backups...My DAW system has 4 SATA II drives in it...two separate striped RAID arrays...I get the speed of striping but have a separate array to do bulk dumps. Works pretty good.
 
how about this reason: some of us don't use computers to record music!

a good tape mixdown deck is just as important as recording to tape. the music gels together a lot better than mixing to digital.

even analog can sound sterile or "not quite right" sometimes when you're mixing down to digital, mixing to tape helps quite a bit.
 
i record down to computer (from cassette-porta) or sometimes to normal audio cassette (from my digital yamah md8) to get some warmth :o
 
you've all made some really great points and I think that you've convinced me of the need to mix to analog as well. Thank you for your thoughts and wisdom.
 
Yo!

I just mix from analog systems to the ol'puter into WAV files. From WAV files either burn CDs or render MP3s. I've used the RCA-1/8" stereo Y-cable to my standard soundcard. That's pretty much it.

Tho' I have 3 ol'puters I can mix down to, they all intake audio a bit differently. The most problem I've had is my analog masters, source audio, sometimes have more dynamics than the soundcard can handle.

Therefore, I've scored a Tascam Fire-One stereo audio firewire interface, as yet to be integrated 'cause my CD drive on my XP machine is on the blink and I can't install anything, TBD.:eek:;) Other issue: No Firewire card!!! :eek: ;)

Supposedly, the Fire-One will give me plenty of headroom on input for a proper mixdown. Tho' I've not been unhappy with my previous results, I'm just looking for an input to the ol'puter that I can drive hard as I need to. No compromise!:eek:;)
 
Back
Top