Which interface for my laptop???

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Hi all, I am looking to get some tunes recorded to my laptop with a good quality sound and after reading some posts it looks like I need an audio interface? I used to record straight to my pc using a soundblaster audio card but the recorded sound was awful.

After reading reviews, the Digidesign mbox(standup one) looks as if it will do the trick but the system requirements are kind of throwing me(Im not technically minded:eek:) as I dont know if my laptop will take it.

My system stats are:

Manufacturer - Toshiba
Processer - Genuine intel(r) 1.73ghz
Memory - 446 mb
System type - 32 bit operating system


Will the Mbox work on my laptop? i dont have a clue

Or if anyone knows a descent Audio inteface that will definately work on my pc just throw in your suggestions:)

I know im probably asking alot but im totally lost as to what direction to go, so any advice would be greatly appreciated

Cheers, stp
 
Hi STP

I'm not too familiar with ProTools and Mboxes but I'll pitch in here.

I've done a little digging and i think the Mbox is no more unless you get one second hand. Digidesign now have the Mbox2 line. Apparently, all your laptop requires is a USB port and you're off. The Mbox2 is the updated version of the Mbox.

To be honest, your processor and memory capability could be better but it's dooable for home recording in general. However, the System Requirements for running Protools LE 7.4 is a minimum of 1GB RAM. You may well get by recording guitars, bass, drum machine and several vocal tracks etc. Any more and your system may begin to complain with the heavy track load, especially if you're using the laptop to do other stuff. Don't invite an orchestra over...lol. Joking aside....Digidesign recommend 1GB and they obviously do so for a reason so you have some decisions to make if you really want to pursue the Mbox2 with Protools LE. Incidentally, a 32bit operating system is fine.

I hope you're not running Vista on the machine? I have a laptop which complains a little with twice as much juice as yours. I would be looking to upgrade if I were you but you may get along happily without one depending on what you wish to do. Only you will know that.

I hope this has been a help. If any of my info has been inaccurate, please correct me as this is what forums are all about - peer support and sharing of knowledge and experience.


Everyone be cool

LiD
 
Hi all, I am looking to get some tunes recorded to my laptop with a good quality sound and after reading some posts it looks like I need an audio interface? I used to record straight to my pc using a soundblaster audio card but the recorded sound was awful.

After reading reviews, the Digidesign mbox(standup one) looks as if it will do the trick but the system requirements are kind of throwing me(Im not technically minded:eek:) as I dont know if my laptop will take it.

My system stats are:

Manufacturer - Toshiba
Processer - Genuine intel(r) 1.73ghz
Memory - 446 mb
System type - 32 bit operating system


Will the Mbox work on my laptop? i dont have a clue

Or if anyone knows a descent Audio inteface that will definately work on my pc just throw in your suggestions:)

I know im probably asking alot but im totally lost as to what direction to go, so any advice would be greatly appreciated

Cheers, stp

Save your money and buy a new computer first. Your system is extremely underpowered for DAW work. 446 Mb is barely enough RAM for Windows on its own. A 1.7 Ghz Processor won't get you very far in terms of track counts, softsynths or FX plugins either.
 
Hi Lostindundee, so am I, on the vicky! what a small world:)

Thanks for the feedback.

Ok, the laptop may have to be replaced with my desktop which holds the requirements, it was just the laptop is more accessable than my desktop. Im recording your usual Drums, bass, 2xguitars, 2xvox, keyboard nothing more.

Are there any other essentials I should get along with an audio interface to get that professional sound?(compressors etc, of which I know little:o)

Cheers!:)
 
Hi Lostindundee, so am I, on the vicky! what a small world:)

Thanks for the feedback.

Ok, the laptop may have to be replaced with my desktop which holds the requirements, it was just the laptop is more accessable than my desktop. Im recording your usual Drums, bass, 2xguitars, 2xvox, keyboard nothing more.

Are there any other essentials I should get along with an audio interface to get that professional sound?(compressors etc, of which I know little:o)

Cheers!:)

Noooooooo way

On the Vicky? I'm on Princes Street. Small world indeed.

I'm just starting out PC recording after 20 years of playing and several years of hardware recording. It's a learning curve but lots of reading helps.

"that professional sound"?

You'll need a good preamp. A decent preamp will do lots with regard to getting the signal of your guitars and vocals into your recordings with a richness and clarity, depending on the preamp of course. Your instruments need a preamp to boost their signals to line level. If you haven't used one before or have relied on built in preamps which are not that great then you may be aware of something being missing from previoius recordings. Incidentally, your keyboard is likely already to be line level.

If you buy a cheap and cheerful preamp then this is what you'll get with regard to sound. For a fairly half decent preamp for a hobbyist, you could pay between £300-£1500. I have a £55 Art MP V3 preamp which I'm, using whilst I save up for a Neve. The Art pre would get you going but would likely lead to you re-recording your stuff once you stepped up to a better quality preamp, which you almost probably will if you're serious. Just do a search for preamps on any music retailer website (Dolphin or DV247) and you'll get an idea of what's out there. Hang around in this and other forums and you'll be informed further. Don't leap...do your research before buying. I would go for a half decent PC too. I'm using a Pentium IV 3.06Ghz but I'm not sure how good this is due to having never pushed it much. An intel core 2 duo would be a good investment for you. Also, PCI based interfaces are considered to be better than firewire when it comes to latency issues. Latency is merely the delay between you playing something and it coming out of your PC. Something worth thinking about regarding your interface purchase. Having said this, masses of people swear by their firewire interfaces. I guess it's just audio interface snobbery...lol....What ever you do, don't go USB. If you're getting a new PC you could get one with firewire. You can actually buy interfaces with their own PCI soundcards.

Mic placement and acoustics are also crucial to getting as a professional sound as possible. You'll need to read lots on this and also mixing and mastering. The forums out there are great for this info as is Amazon for books on the subject. For instance, my KSM27 condenser mic picks up the traffic on Princes Street. Therefore, I've had to turn a wardrobe into an occasional vocal booth which also isolates my vocals from the PC's fan. Incidentally, where you listen to stuff is also important. A PC fan whirring in the background as your mixes come through your speaker monitors will affect what you hear and also your decisions to tweak stuff. Therefore, if you could get away with doing stuff in another room then great. If not then join the masses who just get on with it with the spacial limitations they face. It's not the end of the world....lol. You'll need nice speaker monitors to hear your work too.

Doing your recording and mixing in another room needn't be too complicated. You would need:


1. A long VGA/DVI extension cable for your display monitor.

2. A mouse and keybord extension cable.

3. Long cables for speaker monitors.

4. Optional - Long cable for your interface to bring that on the journey to another room with the afore-mentioned gear. This means you could bring your pre with you too. Hell why not.


As for compressors etc, I would suggest using a compressor and any EQ effects in your DAW after recording your tracks. If you compress or EQ or add any kind of effects processing between your preamp stage and DAW whilst recording then these changes will be committed to your recording without much if any scope to alter them. A lot of old school peeps still prefer to do a little of this and that to their performances as it's being recorded but they are usually seasoned recording enthusiasts who wish to have less to do in the mixing and mastering stages. Therefore, In short, and many people will back me up here, it's much safer to do your processing in your DAW after recording.


Hope this helps and stay in touch Neighbour. You don't come across people on this forum who stay 5 minutes walk from you...lo


LiD
 
i agree with getting a good preamp and mics with high resolution...

like they say, garbage in, garage out so you would want to make sure that what get's in from the instruments to the mic to the preamps to the soundcard are all pristine!

Goodluck!

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So thats high rez mic, preamp and soundcard for nice sound.

Im slightly comfused tho, can someone tell me what the audio interface has?
I thought an interface was a soundcard and you could get a preamp on an interface, basically, if i get an interface will that be all i need(apart from mic):o

Cheers
 
I think you will outgrow your laptop pretty fast as far as using up you CPU capacity. (precessing power) Your desktop is a better choice.

I use a Firebox by Presonus. (About $300.00 US) It has a preamp so you can plug guitars or mics in without an amp and record.

It's pretty basic. Look into that one and the EMU 1212. ($200.00)

You might want to use firewire instead of USB port. Your laptop has one and your desktop should too.

Check out your video card in your hardware section. If you have an ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 IGP, your laptop won't be compatible the the Firebox.

I have a Toshiba laptop that I used to use. Here's how you find out:

Go to Start > All Programs > System Tools > System Information > Compnents > Display (The top line should tell you your video card. Mine says ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 IGP.

If you're going to use a laptop, or desktop, make sure your system tools don't interfere with the hardware you buy.
 
So thats high rez mic, preamp and soundcard for nice sound.

Im slightly comfused tho, can someone tell me what the audio interface has?
I thought an interface was a soundcard and you could get a preamp on an interface, basically, if i get an interface will that be all i need(apart from mic):o

Cheers

Many interfaces do have built in preamps, so if you get one of those, no you wouldn't NEED another preamp. The interface is just what it says, it's the interface between the analog world of your music and the digital world of your computer. It converts your analog sound signals into ones and zeroes for your computer's recording software. That's the A/D converter part of the interface. You'll need either USB or Firewire to get the signal into your computer (unless you go straight into your sound card, which ain't a good idea unless you have a really good sound card.) If you're only going to record one or two tracks simultaneously, USB is fine. Any more than that, go firewire. Firewire is faster and frees up your CPU to do more important things.

The quality of the built in preamps is the issue. If you buy a cheap interface, don't expect great sound quality from it's built in preamps.

Check out this site. It's a good place to start. Then read as much as you can find BEFORE buying a bunch of gear.
http://www.tweakheadz.com/rigs.htm
 
Guys thanks alot for that info, very helpful, been using an old Soundblaster sound card(crap recording sound) so using an interface will be a new experience for me

Cheers:)
 
Guys thanks alot for that info, very helpful, been using an old Soundblaster sound card(crap recording sound) so using an interface will be a new experience for me

Cheers:)

Hi STP

I've heard lots of bad things about people using soundblasters. Time for an upgrade my friend.

There's been some good advice from people in this thread. The EMU 1212 is a good buy for £108, providing you only wish to record 2 simulataneous things at once (+midi). You would also require extensions to avoid getting on your hands and knees down behind your PC every time you need to plug/unplug stuff. That's providing that your PC's back end is as unaccessable as mine...lol

If you have a spare PCI slot on the back of the PC, I would go for a EMU 1616 PCI for the extra £150. This would give you a breakout box and PCI sound card and would save you from getting round the back of your PC everytime you needed to plug/unplug stuff and would give you more features such as 2 additional in/outs which is handy if more than 2 of you fancy recording a jam. You also get phantom power for condenser mics which I can't see listed on the EMU 1212's specs and also a headphone output. You can get this here. However, I'm not sure if the line inputs for guitars go through a preamp. Can anyone with a a bit more knowledge on the product clarify this?

Incidentally, you can dabble in more expensive preamps later on down the line.

As for a mic. Why not go with a Shure SM57. This is the cheapest I could find it for at £65 (£14 cheaper than Sound Control). Mine come last week and it's a great mic for the money and an industry standard for vocals, micing cabs and micing accoustic guitars and sax's etc. You can't go wrong with the versaltility of one of these. Recording professionals who own £2000 mics reach for the SM57 first in many situations. So there ye go.


Hope this has helped?

LiD
 
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