Where to start with mixing, also take a look at one of my first mixes

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So me and my brother are currently working on a rap mixtape and although we've pretty much got the content all good it's the technical aspects that we're struggling a little bit on. For example, mixing, check out the first proper mix I did at our myspace - it's called Turning Point, and I know it probably needs re-recording but I'm just looking for opinions on the mix at the moment. I left everything panned in the middle, I just don't know where things should go and also I don't know much about the effects which should be applied to a mix. Where should I start with it? Are there any good tutorials on mixing or possibly books you would reccomend? We'd like to make the finished product as proffesional as possible.

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I just don't know where things should go and also I don't know much about the effects which should be applied to a mix. Where should I start with it?
There is no such thing as places that things "should go" or effects that "should be" applied.

The only general guidelines are that you want to place each instrument in it's own "space" in three dimensions; left/right, front/back and low/high frequency, in general not stacking two or more instruments in the same "space" unless they are meant to compliment each other as a single compound sound, and that the lowest of bass instruments tend to gravitate towards a center pan rather than at the left/right edges because bass is less directional than the HF stuff, so won't benefit from panning the way the HF stuff will, and on a stereo system will benefit from being able to use both speakers when panned center.

With those guidelines in mind, you should start with an idea in your head of how you WANT things to sound. Listen to what you got, THINK about what you're hearing, where you would want to move each instrument and how you would want it to sound when it's there. This will tell you what to do.

You are the painter. What do you want to paint with your mix? If your answer is, "What everybody else does", then you might as well put down the microphone and take up something else, because then the audience can and will just listen to everyone else.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen speaks the absolute truth, but let me add that before you even consider mixing you should make sure that the recording is done to the best of your ability, both quality and performance wise. The better the recording, the easier it is to mix, and often if things have been recorded well they seem to fall into place (rather than having to be forcibly persuaded into place!).

Ideally you should start to think about how things will sit in the mix at the tracking stage so that you can adjust everything accordingly. By everything I mean... room, mic selection, mic placement / technique, drums, drum tuning, guitars, amps, amp tone, even tiny things like taping a cymbal if needed. As you're tracking you should be already have an image of how everything is going to fit together, and be thinking about all these little things that can make a huge difference.
 
Ah, I see now! But when people talk about compression, reverb - I just play around with them and hope it sounds alright, how should I learn how to apply these to best effect?
 
Playing around with things when you don't understand them can be very detrimental to the sound, especially with compression. A compressor is a tool - a signal processor - not just a magic button effect! When using compression you should have a pretty idea of what you want to do with it, and be able to fairly quickly find the settings needed to achieve it. What you want to achieve with compression is all down to what you think will benefit the mix.

Mixing is fairly difficult to explain really. In general it comes down to the two things...

- What specifically needs improving?

and

- What do I need to do to improve those specific things?


...which sounds really simple and trivial until you think of what it actually means. I often find even the first one difficult, and so do many people, and without knowing what's wrong, how can you fix it? I'm trying to think up of a good analogy at the moment!


As a general rule of thumb, if you don't know what you are trying to achieve by using something, don't use it. That isn't just a rule for beginners - I'm sure many pro engineers sometimes take a step back while they are mixing and think, why am I actually doing this? Sometimes you just automatically put a compressor on a track or bus because its what you always do, or you just expect it to need compression, when actually it might not. Every situation is different.


Here are a load of links that talk about compression in some depth...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range_compression
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_articles/apr97/compressors.html
http://gonzoft.tripod.com/articles/a4/a4.htm
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec00/articles/adcompression.htm
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1996_articles/apr96/compression.html
http://www.tweakheadz.com/compressors.htm
http://www.xowave.com/doc/recording/compression.shtml
 
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Ah, I see now! But when people talk about compression, reverb - I just play around with them and hope it sounds alright, how should I learn how to apply these to best effect?
Things like compressors, reverb and EQ are tools for shaping sound, just like a set of chisels or saws are tools for shaping wood. And like using any tool, you have to know how the tool actually works - that is, that a jigsaw is better for cutting fine shapes but a rip saw is better for rough cutting large pieces into smaller ones, and that one does not just take the rip saw and start sawing, but there is a technique for starting the cut, one for the fastest and most efficient cutting through the bulk and one for finishing the cut without tearing the end of the wood or binding the saw.

For an EQ, a major part is learning what those frequency and badnwidth numbers actually mean and learning what sounds you hear are represented by those frequency and bandwidth numbers. My recommendation to get started there is to take a 15-band graphic EQ (real or plug-in) and play some of your favorite CDs through it. As you play them, take one band of EQ at a time and start sliding it up and down slowly and listen to how that one band affects what you hear, what the actual tone differences sound like and what aspects of each instrument and vocal are affected by each frequency band. Do that for an hour a night for a week. Then bring in a friend with different CDs to do the same thing as you blindly listen and try to guess what frequency range they are moving up or down. Once you can regularly guess within two sliders either way, you're getting fairly good - at least good enough to get close enough to be able to fine tune on your own from that point. Also read this article for a particularly useful method for using a parametric EQ for sweetening your sounds.

Compression can be a bit trickier to wrap your ears around, and is a bit more complex in what it does. Here, I'd recommend some reading up first; I have a pretty comprehensive beginner's tutorial if you go here and click on the "Compression Uncompressed" icon in the bottom right corner. This will give you a head start on the functionality of compressors and some reasons for compression, as well as a few specific techniques often used. From there, you can experiment to your heart's desire with your own compressor to get the feel for it a bit better.

Reverb is more of a taste kind of thing; but a good rule to start with is if you can consciously hear it, you probably have a bit too much of it. Check out the Recording Project website and Tweakheadz website for more on reverb (and other effects.)

I have nothing against pure experimentation for learning, but it can be kind of the deaf leading the deaf if you don't have some background from these kinds of articles first - or at least along with the experimentation.

The goal is to learn how the gear works and what twirling this knob or pushing that slider actually means and actually does to the sound. Once you have that knowledge - and once you have trained your ear to listen for that stuff - then it's "simply" (I say that word half-jokingly ;) ) a matter of listening to what you got, comparing that to what you want to have, and then applying your knowledge of how the tool works to get form here to there.

Is it easy? No. But it's not all that hard either. It just takes a little patience and practice. We can't all be Michelangelos with our brushes, but with just a little knowledge and practice, we can make some decent paintings that will far surpass some cardboard cut-out, paint-by-number recipes that say paint color #2 inside these lines and color #3 inside those lines ;) :).

G.
 
Ah, I see now! But when people talk about compression, reverb - I just play around with them and hope it sounds alright, how should I learn how to apply these to best effect?

More important than learning how to apply those things to best effect, is learning to tell whether you even need to use them at all. And that will come once you know what they do and how they work.
 
One thing that helped me to learn compression was to just twist knobs.

First, read and understand what the knobs do and then take em to the max. Crank em up to the point where it sounds like shit and is crushing your sound. Back it off and start rolling it up on another track. Keep twiddling til you start hearing "critically". Know what I mean?

When you start hearing what a compressor does (and what it doesn't do) you'll start getting a better understanding of what instruments you want it on and if you even want it at all.

Good luck man.
 
Things like compressors, reverb and EQ are tools for shaping sound, just like a set of chisels or saws are tools for shaping wood. And like using any tool, you have to know how the tool actually works - that is, that a jigsaw is better for cutting fine shapes but a rip saw is better for rough cutting large pieces into smaller ones, and that one does not just take the rip saw and start sawing, but there is a technique for starting the cut, one for the fastest and most efficient cutting through the bulk and one for finishing the cut without tearing the end of the wood or binding the saw.

Couldn't agree more with glen, you have to learn what these "tools" do first, than as soon as you know what it does, than play with them until YOU get the sound your looking for! There's no such thing as A MAGIC "tool" or MAGIC Preset. Your gonna have to adjust, twist, turn, push all settings to the image of your preference.:)
 
Ah, I see now! But when people talk about compression, reverb - I just play around with them and hope it sounds alright, how should I learn how to apply these to best effect?

Alot of it is trial and error, try this setting see how it sounds if it doesn't work maybe another setting. Sometimes don't do it at all. But before you start to mix you need 2 make sure the recording is done 2 the best of everyone's ability. Because I know I am not going 2 mix a song that is not done properly that is a waste of my time cause once u rerecord it you will have 2 do everything different.
 
I think the place to start is with your monitoring environment and training your ears for that environment. Make sure you are really hearing things the way they are. Listen to TONS of reference music over and over and over again thru your monitors. Listen to how your monitors color the sound. You need to learn the weak points in your chain and adjust accordingly. i.e.. if your reference material sounds great on all stereos but sounds treble-y at your DAW, you can afford to push your HF's a little more when you're mixing.
 
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