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LoudScaryGuitar
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Ok so the vocals should be a bit of center, rhythm guitar 100Left and another 100Right.....So where does bass-guitar go???
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
some things that are commonly panned center, but not always
Lead vocal
Lead guitar
Bass Guitar
Kick drum
Snare drum
Lead vocal
Lead guitar
Bass Guitar
Kick drum
Snare drum
ChuckU
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Right down Main Street. In the center.
Blue Bear Sound
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Bass guitar has no place but center.... try listening on cans to a bass panned hard over.... annoying as hell.... and I've heard a RECENT release done this way.... amateur engineering at its finest!
You can get away with slightly off-center panning, but not by much if you want a balanced mix.
(If you don't want a balanced mix, then you don't have to worry about it!)
You can get away with slightly off-center panning, but not by much if you want a balanced mix.
(If you don't want a balanced mix, then you don't have to worry about it!)
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
I hardly ever record the bass in mono, and my personal CURRENT preference is to split the bass wide, L/R with a good stereo track. Seems to make the bass more dominant without eating up a bunch of headroom. Otherwise, all the preceeding comments, I would have to agree with.......in general.
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VotaIdiota
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You need to ask yourself one question to figure out where to pan it:
"Am I the Beatles?"
If your answer is NO, then don't even THINK about moving it off-center!
"Am I the Beatles?"
If your answer is NO, then don't even THINK about moving it off-center!
Blue Bear Sound
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Stereo bass, but balanced on both channels can easily work.... I've done that before too....mixmkr said:
But that's not the same as off-center panning problem I mentioned where more bass energy is coming from one side than another...
And even if someone WERE The Beatles, those older albums were mastering engineer mistakes anyways - they were intended to be mastered as mono mixes, but the mastering guy got it wrong!
Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
In the early days of stereo they didn't know what to do with it. You'll hear all kinds of strange panning schemes. Conventional wisdom is as stated bass, kick & snare down the middle.
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
Track Rat said:
I remember that some people thought it was 'vogue' to put the snare a smidgen off to one side...but still the closest panned instrument to the middle. ya know...kinda like maybe a 'real' kit. HH too. I prefer middle, however...but I do frequently put the HH off to the right.
yeah...bass dominant on one side makes my head tilt!!
Aaron Cheney
Favorite Chord: C 6/9
Kick drum and bass must be centered unless you are going for some kind of zany special effect.
As far as the snare thing, I wonder if most engineers could tell the difference between a snare panned C and one simply panned 5% right without being told. For most listeners it's pretty hard to distinguish much more than center, right, and left. To make something really fall somewhere between those extremes I usually have to set up some kind of a stereo delay that sort of "shifts" the image. Know what I mean?
Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
As far as the snare thing, I wonder if most engineers could tell the difference between a snare panned C and one simply panned 5% right without being told. For most listeners it's pretty hard to distinguish much more than center, right, and left. To make something really fall somewhere between those extremes I usually have to set up some kind of a stereo delay that sort of "shifts" the image. Know what I mean?
Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
The Bass belongs NO WHERE ELSE but DEAD CENTER!!!!!
dobro
Well-known member
Well, okay, bass down the middle, but how would you solve this problem: I've got a small handful of songs on this album that are basically voice, bass and acoustic guitar. I tried voice in the middle, and the guitar and bass panned slightly to the left and right, in order to give the vocal some space. But if I put the bass up the center, then what? Vocal on top and guitar to one side? Then it isn't balanced. Bass up the middle and vocal right and guitar left? But the vocals belong in the center. Look, if it was a stage, you might have the bass to one side, right? Why not in a stereo field as well, then, with a small mix like this?
Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
Rules are made to be broken. The context I'm speaking of would be for more of a full band kind of thing. With a more sparse arrangement I think I'd still want bass centered but what ever works is cool.
Aaron Cheney
Favorite Chord: C 6/9
the problem is that bass carries the fundamental notes of the arrangement ( again...usually ), and it really sounds better to have that anchor in the middle of the mix. If I were mixing this based on what you've told me, I might put the bass and vox down the center and work on widening the guitar sound by stereo micing with one mic panned left, one right; or maybe double the guitar track , pan L&R, and put a HP filter on the L and an LP filter on the R; or a stereo chorus or .......????
Then again, who says you have to do it the "right" way. Employ some "pop music" rule-breaking. Use your ears.
Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
Then again, who says you have to do it the "right" way. Employ some "pop music" rule-breaking. Use your ears.
Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
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VotaIdiota
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Blue Bear Sound said:
this is what I've always wondered.
If they were intended to be mono mixes, but were MASTERED in stereo instead, then how come no one has ever just gone back and remastered them to how they were supposed to be?
Blue Bear Sound
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Well if I'm not mistaken, they did a few years back...
I think it was an "audiophile" pressing of the Beatles recordings "the way they were originally intended..."
I think it was an "audiophile" pressing of the Beatles recordings "the way they were originally intended..."
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chessrock
Banned
I think you need to have like 12 tracks of bass . . . and pan them like everywhere. Go for the Phil Specter "Wall of bass" effect.
And apply like a ton of reverb to one of the tracks, too. That would be kewl.
And apply like a ton of reverb to one of the tracks, too. That would be kewl.
frank_1
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Manowar's "Triumph Of Steel"; the bass is panned either right or left about half way and IMO that album sounds amazing for the type of music!
For those of you who don't know about them, they are a metal band, and a fine one at that!
For those of you who don't know about them, they are a metal band, and a fine one at that!
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VotaIdiota
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Blue Bear Sound said:
really? that sounds interesting....
I never heard of that.
I know they remastered "1" in 24/96k, but still kept the crazy stereo shit.....
Personally, I've always HATED having the drums on one side.. Everything just every which way. It gets a little disorienting.
pipelineaudio
Well-known member
remember your lowest common denominator: likely a coyote will be listening to it thru the one working speaker in his van as he is shuttling mexicans across the border so they can break into my car.
not everyone will be able to hear the mix as you intended in full glorious stereo.
If you want to stereoize the bass, split the hi and lo frequency contents of the track and send the hi's to a chorus or slllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww flanger.
It should be WAY easier than easy to stereoize that accoustic track tho...take a plug like ozone or something or if youre on a console, split it and eq one side hi and one side low
not everyone will be able to hear the mix as you intended in full glorious stereo.
If you want to stereoize the bass, split the hi and lo frequency contents of the track and send the hi's to a chorus or slllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww flanger.
It should be WAY easier than easy to stereoize that accoustic track tho...take a plug like ozone or something or if youre on a console, split it and eq one side hi and one side low