what's the point of a mic pre-amp again?

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I bought a presonus studio channel preamp....thinking gonna make me sound like a pro then I realized that my signal is boosted yeah....but then I have to turn the gains down on my mixer to keep from clipping...so what's the point of this preamp?
 
Haha, the point of the pre-amp is to boost the signal to line level. In other words, you shouldn't even need to TOUCH the gain knobs on your mixer, the levels should just be coming in at line level when they hit the mixer.
 
A Mixer?? A mixer is full of mic preamps. Why are you using a second preamp?
A mic preamp brings the level of a microphone which is EXTREMELY low up to line level which is what the rest of the chain operates at. You don't want to daisy chain a mic preamp into a second mic preamp.
 
What mixer do you have?

As others have said, the mic inputs on your mixer will already contain a microphone pre amp. If it's a decent mixer, it may also have Line lever inputs that you can route your Presonus into at least to avoid the "up down" in your gain staging.

However, it sounds like you've run out and spent money without any understanding of what you have and need.

...and it's doubtful that the Presonus pre amp will be enough different to make an audible difference to your results. The only way to sound like a pro is to actually sound like a pro yourself. Hardware--even if you chose it wisely--isn't going to do it for you.
 
thinking gonna make me sound like a pro
No piece of equipment on earth will make you sound like a pro.

A Mixer?? A mixer is full of mic preamps. Why are you using a second preamp?
You don't want to daisy chain a mic preamp into a second mic preamp.
Actually, I do that. The onboard preamps on my DAW are good for some things but not for others so I use an independent preamp for signal boost and the onboard preamp for recording level control.
 
Also.... a presonus studio channel isn't a preamp. It's a channel strip. It contains a preamp, amongst other things....
 
I think the mystic of The Microphone Preamp is on the wane and not before time IMHO.

Back in the day, mics were all dynamics and we only had valves to amp 'em. As now, mics were very low level, balanced and very low impedance. Valves stages are noisy and unbalanced high impedance. The saviour in this story was of course the audio transformer. But you needed high ratios and that meant a poor HF response (typical cutoff 12kHz!). As transformer technology improved so did the response and distortions but at a cost and since most pre amp makers used their own traffs a certain "house sound" emerged. To add even more to the cost the output needed a bigger but still high quality transformer to deliver a low Z, balanced output.

Early transistors were no help, their noise was no better at least than a good traff+triode and they had pitiful headroom (you could build quite a decent transistor pre IF you used an input traff!) .

The coming of the integrated circuit changed all that. An NE5532 was good enough for most applications sans transformer and the now very common hybrid 2 or 4 transistor _ op amp design was better than almost any valve pre for noise, distortion and bandwidth.

So today a very good mic preamp can be made for a couple of $.
The top kit still has its advantages of course. Better gain setting systems, notoriously difficult to do for a wide gain range. Filters, polarity switches and by using advanced techniques and selecting components, the very last word in low noise can be achieved, but few of us have rooms quiet enough for it to matter.

I vividly remember the first "modern" mic amp I encountered in 2005 when I bought a Behringer BCA2000 AI. I would have KILLED for that mic pre forty years ago!

Dave.
 
I have a Allen and Heath Zed10fx mixer. Everything's got a Mic preamp these days..So um not supposed to use a separate preamp chained to a mixer?

You can, you just have to send the output of the "seperate preamp" (in this case, the Presonus Channel strip) into the LINE input on the back of your A&H mixer, NOT the Mic input.
 
Sure you can. - adding/expanding, offering different features or sounds.. Just use line inputs on the mixer of course.
..beat me to it
 
No. In your case it would be a waste of time and money.

Oh, you could patch your pre amp into one of the Zed 10's line level sockets but, frankly, that would be fairly pointless. The A&H pre amps are excellent, arguably better than your Presonus channel strip (and the A&H channel strip is darn good too).

The point of 3rd part channel strips is to either improve the quality (but that means a very good pre-amp/channel strip) or to add a specific "sound" to a mic--again usually meaning an expensive/specialist bit of gear.

You have a good little mixer--you might as well use it. Certainly it'll take a fair bit of money to better what you already have.
 
Thanks guys. I'm so glad I found this forum! I have it connected to Mic input all along! Gonna try the line input and see if it makes a huge difference or not! I'm such a noob....
 
All this time I thought the line input jack is a 1/4 Mic input jack....so I thought surely xlr Mic input is gonna be better than 1/4" Mic input any day! Lol
 
So um not supposed to use a separate preamp chained to a mixer?

You can, you just have to send the output of the "seperate preamp" (in this case, the Presonus Channel strip) into the LINE input on the back of your A&H mixer, NOT the Mic input.

Sure you can. - adding/expanding, offering different features or sounds.. Just use line inputs on the mixer of course.
..beat me to it

Thanks guys. I'm so glad I found this forum! I have it connected to Mic input all along! Gonna try the line input and see if it makes a huge difference or not! I'm such a noob....

All this time I thought the line input jack is a 1/4 Mic input jack....so I thought surely xlr Mic input is gonna be better than 1/4" Mic input any day! Lol
On my DAW, the six 1/4" inputs act as both mic inputs and instrument inputs and the knobs on each determine both the signal boost and set the recording level so in a way, I do come from an external preamp into a mic input.
 
much much better now Thanks again guys. I was able to increase the gains on the mixer a whole lot and it's not clipping. It's a condenser mic Mic btw. The VU meter actually move up and down like it's supposed to. :D
 
You can, you just have to send the output of the "seperate preamp" (in this case, the Presonus Channel strip) into the LINE input on the back of your A&H mixer, NOT the Mic input.

I have a ZED10fx. You need to go into the line inputs ST1 or ST2 for the most direct path.

Note too that most line inputs on AIs and mixers that are associated with a mic channel are in fact merely "padded down" mic amps and so you can have the ridiculous situation of someone feeding a $1000 mic pre thru' $2.00 worth of bog S mic amplifier! Technically and even audibly it probably doesn't matter, still a bit daft tho!

BTW my zed feeds an M-Audio 2496, the signal being "unbalanced" by a pair of OEM 10k-10k line bridging transformers. They are very GOOD transformers but I would like rid and am trying to source an M-A AP 192 PCI card in UK?

Dave.
 
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