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wjgypsy
New member
what's the reasion that alot of major studios choose adats?
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
Besides offering a revolutionary way originally to multi-track,ease of operation,synching ability with other units for adding addtl tracks, p.c. compatibility,unique features such as locate points,rehearse,edit, etc. and providing analog/tape based engineers the ability to record digitally onto tape are just a few of the reasons that there are still approx 100,000 still in use!!!
Besides, ADAT's RUUUUUUUUUUULE!!!!
Besides, ADAT's RUUUUUUUUUUULE!!!!
Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
It's a more robust recording platform than computer STILL. I switched over to an HD24 but I still use two ADATs for a portable system. And because most pro studios have a few laying around it makes stuff done on them transportable.
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eh91311
recordist
ADATs
I guess I'm a analog/tape-based engineer. I like ADATs because they have a very low learning curve and good ones are very reliable. With a good computer interface card you can transfer ADAT tape tracks to the computer and work on the tracks in a less expensive environment (like home).
Buy original blackface or XT20/M20 ADATs and you'll get good, reliable performance. Pick XT's or LX20's and expect trouble.
With the advent of the HD24, ADATs are relatively inexpensive now.
I guess I'm a analog/tape-based engineer. I like ADATs because they have a very low learning curve and good ones are very reliable. With a good computer interface card you can transfer ADAT tape tracks to the computer and work on the tracks in a less expensive environment (like home).
Buy original blackface or XT20/M20 ADATs and you'll get good, reliable performance. Pick XT's or LX20's and expect trouble.
With the advent of the HD24, ADATs are relatively inexpensive now.
pipelineaudio
Well-known member
"what's the reasion that alot of major studios choose adats?"
so that people who record at home can bring their tapes in, then later realize that they should have started at the studio to begin with
so that people who think they can work at home will come record their drums at the studio, then take the adat tapes home thinking they can finish themselves...of course then they come back to the studio where they should have been in the first place
OK Im being cynical...if there were no home studio threat, no studio would have an adat in it
there are many good uses for the accursed things tho...you CAN do some overdubs at home with them, theyre easy to use, easy to sync ( LOL notice I didnt say " fast " ), and they keep techs like me in business!
but overall !@#$ the mackie/adat " revolution" for happening RIGHT when I was coming into my prime
long live fletcher's " shit on a stick "
http://www.mercenary.com/shitonastick.html
boy am I gonna get flamed
so that people who record at home can bring their tapes in, then later realize that they should have started at the studio to begin with
so that people who think they can work at home will come record their drums at the studio, then take the adat tapes home thinking they can finish themselves...of course then they come back to the studio where they should have been in the first place
OK Im being cynical...if there were no home studio threat, no studio would have an adat in it
there are many good uses for the accursed things tho...you CAN do some overdubs at home with them, theyre easy to use, easy to sync ( LOL notice I didnt say " fast " ), and they keep techs like me in business!
but overall !@#$ the mackie/adat " revolution" for happening RIGHT when I was coming into my prime
long live fletcher's " shit on a stick "
http://www.mercenary.com/shitonastick.html
boy am I gonna get flamed
Blue Bear Sound
New member
That's the one thing I've always disagreed with Fletcher on....
You CAN make an ADAT/Mackie combination work.......... it may take more care than needed with higher-end consoles and better converters, but if an experienced engineer can't get good sound out of them, then they're not doing something right........... period.
You CAN make an ADAT/Mackie combination work.......... it may take more care than needed with higher-end consoles and better converters, but if an experienced engineer can't get good sound out of them, then they're not doing something right........... period.
Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
I guess the magic fairy dust just doesn't live in an ADAT. And I'm just SOOO lucky that my ADATs (LX20's) chase and lock FAST and don't give me any problems EVER.
Son of Mixerman
Mix Junior
Blue Bear Sound said:
Im telling Fletcher you said he was an in-experienced engineer. So there Nyaah!
SoMm
Blue Bear Sound
New member
Son of Mixerman said:
I'm pretty sure Fletcher would be able to get a great recording given a 1642 and an ADAT XT20.... he may not like using them, but he'd definitely be able to turn out a great recording!
Mind you - he could turn out a great recording given a PortaStudio!
My entire point is that it's the skills of the engineer that REALLY make the difference.... the gear just makes the job either easier or more difficult....
A Reel Person
It's Too Funky in Here!!!
I could be wrong,...
but I thought the ADAT's original claim to fame was that it brought digital tape multitracking down to a "cartridge" format [S-VHS], when multitrack digital tape machines before it were basically reel-to-reel format.
but I thought the ADAT's original claim to fame was that it brought digital tape multitracking down to a "cartridge" format [S-VHS], when multitrack digital tape machines before it were basically reel-to-reel format.
pipelineaudio
Well-known member
" thought the ADAT's original claim to fame was that it brought digital tape multitracking down to a "cartridge" format [S-VHS]"
why would that be a good thing ?
why would that be a good thing ?
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
There are many pro's and cons in re to ADAT's. Many artists use them for it's ease of operation and portabilty while several project and commercial studios in NYC still employ them based upon requests made by customers (Enjoy & Apple uses them for 2-trk mixdwns,archival and masters). Fletch is entitled to his opinion the same as Massenburg,Park,Rodgers,Smith, Lowe
and others who still include ADAT's in the rec'ding arsenal!
and others who still include ADAT's in the rec'ding arsenal!
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werewolf831
New member
This is an interesting thread. My band and I have used the Mackie 1642/ADAT combination now, with great results for the past 3 years.
www.mp3.com/soullesskc
These songs were done using said combo, and little more.
An earlier post said to expect trouble with the LX20. Why so? These are what we've been using. Can you explain Blue Bear? You seem to be quite the authority on ADAT's.
www.mp3.com/soullesskc
These songs were done using said combo, and little more.
An earlier post said to expect trouble with the LX20. Why so? These are what we've been using. Can you explain Blue Bear? You seem to be quite the authority on ADAT's.
Blue Bear Sound
New member
I've done a lot of mileage with ADATs...
If you keep the maintenance up, they'll treat you right... but they are a mechanical system, and any mechanical system is prone to failure - ESPECIALLY if tape loading/unloading is involved...
The LX ADATs differ from the XT ADATs in the quality of the converters (different oversampling rates, and a less expensive A/D was used to keep costs down)... as well, the transport on the XT series was made significantly more robust than the LX series.... sync lock-up times are faster on the XTs....
The robustness of the transport is important, but more for studios running the units very frequently, day-to-day -- in your typical average home-recer's setup, it's probably not such a big deal....
The converter quality is a concern only if YOU can tell the difference and you're in a position of NEEDING to worry about it (ie, accommodating clients in a professional capacity)....... otherwise, if it sounds good to you, it IS good!
If you keep the maintenance up, they'll treat you right... but they are a mechanical system, and any mechanical system is prone to failure - ESPECIALLY if tape loading/unloading is involved...
The LX ADATs differ from the XT ADATs in the quality of the converters (different oversampling rates, and a less expensive A/D was used to keep costs down)... as well, the transport on the XT series was made significantly more robust than the LX series.... sync lock-up times are faster on the XTs....
The robustness of the transport is important, but more for studios running the units very frequently, day-to-day -- in your typical average home-recer's setup, it's probably not such a big deal....
The converter quality is a concern only if YOU can tell the difference and you're in a position of NEEDING to worry about it (ie, accommodating clients in a professional capacity)....... otherwise, if it sounds good to you, it IS good!
Velvet Elvis
Ahh humma humma humma
Bear is absolutely right...
I just finished a project for a recording label (debut release of my band... yeah!!!)
I recorded ALL the basic tracks on three black face adats using a Mackie 24x8.
Half way through the project I bought an HD24 (because I came across a great deal on one) and so I finished the vocals and such on the HD24.
I have had NUMEROUS people say that its a very professional recording.
I even had a group that paid $$$$$$$$$$$ to record at Chicago Recording Company (BIG studio) tell me that my project turned out far better than theirs.... obviously not because my equipment is better than theirs.
If an engineer knows their equipment and what they can get out of it, you can make a highly competitive product.
Ok... I'll get down off my soap box now... not trying to say I'm a great engineer or anything like that, just commenting that you can get awesome recordings out of minimal gear if you have a clue what you are doing
Velvet
I just finished a project for a recording label (debut release of my band... yeah!!!)
I recorded ALL the basic tracks on three black face adats using a Mackie 24x8.
Half way through the project I bought an HD24 (because I came across a great deal on one) and so I finished the vocals and such on the HD24.
I have had NUMEROUS people say that its a very professional recording.
I even had a group that paid $$$$$$$$$$$ to record at Chicago Recording Company (BIG studio) tell me that my project turned out far better than theirs.... obviously not because my equipment is better than theirs.
If an engineer knows their equipment and what they can get out of it, you can make a highly competitive product.
Ok... I'll get down off my soap box now... not trying to say I'm a great engineer or anything like that, just commenting that you can get awesome recordings out of minimal gear if you have a clue what you are doing
Velvet
Cyrokk
Farce of Nature
pipelineaudio said:
lol.. guilty as charged. I went to a studio just to have the tapes backed up. I'm sitting there and an intern comes up to the engineer and they are joking about some guy who mixed his entire album on headphones. I kept my mouth shut because it was my first home brew project, I knew nothing about recording then, and I had done the exact same thing.
For some reason, he couldn't get the monitoring system working. Thank goodness! I really didn't want to hear how horrid my first project was going to sound in a professional environment. God, everything was peaking too. That episode could've been far more embarassing had they broadcasted my crap throughout the facility.
I got an ADAT XT right when they first came out. The only problem I have is occasionally the remote freezes up. I have to re-insert the control or start the machine back up to get it to function again..
Cy