what to do?Hard Or Adat Both?

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ok 1st off this is what i got =
1-guitar amp Randall Warhead (Half)
2-bass amp Ampeg (8 ten cab)
3-old juno 106
4-boss gt-3 (gt efx)
5-Emu4 xt
6-mpc 2000
7-bass station rack
8-event monitors
9-MAC G4
10-Emagic Logic Platium
11-mackie 8 bus 32 channel
12-nord lead 2 (nord 3 on the way)
13-Andromeda on the way soon (Alesis) Analog Keyboard
14-basic 5 piece Drum Set
15-and 6 EFX Racks
16-and other stuff ,amps, loud speakers ext... wich dont have much to do with this question.....

My problem is i want to record i got the mixer ill be using i got logic and a good comp so should i go for a sound card like 1224 MOTU (will it work?) Can i go directly to disk if so will i need another hard drive and SCSI Card ?.Or go for some ADATS like the guy at MARS Music says i should (darn sales man heh) BOTH ahh? Dont want to unless i need to?Or what? I want good quality but dont want to spend tons of money got other bills to worry about so a pro tools rig is out of the question!
THX in Advance
 
I suggest going with the soundcard. MOTU makes good stuff, and if you can afford it, go for. It'll be WAY cheaper than 2 or 3 ADATs.
I'm not sure how fast a MAC G4 is, but you'll need something fast enough to handle a good multi track program. And you'll need a good sized hard drive. And I assume you have some decent mics?
 
Thx Doink Sombody Cares =)
Do you know how many tracks ill get with a 1224 MOTU? The Mac G4 is pretty fast well In petium Talk i guess i could say its around 800 or above mghz's.
So ill save money with the card but wich is realy better?
i could spend some $ to get good stuff .So i guess what im getting at is this which is better? And will logic work with the motu cuzz if i go that rout im gonna use logic
for pretty much everthing? all its all just a pian but i need it thx agian
 
The 1224 is 8 in, 8 out, which is plenty for most who track things one instrument at a time. But I don't think the 1224 is 96 kHz. Sure, you can get by with 44 or 48 k for now, but in 2 years, the 16 bit 44 kHz format will be obsolete. In fact, it looks like the only 24/96 unit from MOTU is the 1296. You can check this all out at http://www.motu.com . And if you don't wanna spend the money for a MOTU, it looks like the M Audio Delta 10/10 is your next best bet.
You'll also need a program that's at least 16 tracks. I don't know Logic Audio, but if it's not 16 tracks, get something that is.
You will definatly save some money with the card setup. Not only that, but those ADAT's arent 24/96, so they will be useless in a few years.
 
Doink said:
...You will definatly save some money with the card setup. Not only that, but those ADAT's arent 24/96, so they will be useless in a few years....
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Hmmm.... the jury is still out on whether 24/96 is overkill or not. (There's no question that's it's much better, the the question is whether the differences are audible enough to warrant the extra storage requirements). You can make very excellent recordings even at 44/16 if you know what you are doing and where your limitations are.... so no, 48K/20-bit recording is not going to be "useless" anytime soon. An ADAT is not in the same league as a cassette-based PortaStudio!!!

And what's completely laughable is that the gear manufacturers are trying to create these marketing bit wars in the same way as computer manufacturers create chip wars to market keep the public buying the latest/greatest/fastest, and they've got people buying into it so much that they shell out for the 24/96 recording gear, then use some 8-channel/$400 portable mixer to track with - while monitoring thru computer speakers!!!!!!!! (But DAMMIT, it's 24/96 so it's top of the line... !?!?!?)

I suppose it IS easier to trade engineering skills for a gear upgrade (hey, if I go 24/96 I don't have to care about technique as much, right??? Saves me learning a whole mess of "out-dated" dinosaur engineer procedures... then I'll run the whole thing thru my Finalizer to get rid of all that unnecessary dynamic range...)

See what I mean?? ;)

Bottom line, buy good gear (it doesn't HAVE to be 24/96), but whatever gear you buy, LEARNING HOW TO USE IT will give you much better results than simply upgrading to the next bit/resolution level... ged'dit???

Stepping of my soap-box now... sorry, I kinda felt like Sonusman for a second!!!!!!!!!!!! (kidding, Ed... :D B )

Bruce Valeriani
Blue Bear Sound


[Edited by bvaleria on 12-09-2000 at 04:04]
 
Thx Guys For The info the fact is that iv always played (for the last 14 years anyways) and i have no exp.in recording . All i have is my ear and a lot of reading on how other ppl do it thats it so which ever rout i go ill be learning from scratch as far as money goes ill spend where i need to spend i dont mind (execpt for some pro tools rig cuzz im not selling music here)
So $$ is not the problem realy its just making the right choice at the begining so i dont have to back up agian and start over the whole learning thing agian!
I dont work (for now) and ill be puting major hours in to this about 1 years worth so you see i dont want to buy the wrong stuff or id be wasting this whole year
that i would regret and thats why its such a big deal to me. Well iv probley bored you already so hope you
understand where im coming from here

THX VERY VERY MUCH And if anybody out there got any ideas id love to hear them or read them heh
 
Ok Now Its almost time!

So the time is drawing neer
almost time to buy buy buy
i need some last moment thoughts on what users out there would buy if they had about 6000$ to spend and already had a mixer ,mics,computer,software,and equipment to play ,
COMON PEOPLE HELP ME OUT HERE! PLZ!
The Music depends on it !
 
Bruce makes REAl good sense, Listen to what he is saying, bigger, better, faster - Yeah all great. But WORK with what you have ( yeah, no radio schlock crap ) OJT/trial and error stuff - I've heard some amazing sounds from some mediorce equipment in the right hands with effort and determination.

But man, bludgeoning Ed like that!! That's gonna leave a mark. Must be hittn' the chianti. Just watch out if he starts eating fava beans WITH the chianti! papfipp pfipp, pfipp pfipp pfipp pfipp!!!!!!
 
bvaleria:
I think the DVD format is going to wipe out the standard CD format. That's why I don't think 16/44 will be around for much longer.
I do, however, COMPLETELY agree with the ability of the engineer being more important the gear.

EMU4XT:
$6000?!?! That's a lot. Probly enough to get a good 16 track 1" reel to reel (Tascam comes to mind). I don't much about reel to reels, but most people prefer them over digital. I don't know if that kind of money will get an analog unit that will be superior to digital. You'll also need to buy the reels ($70+ a peice) and more rack gear (compressors, EQ's, effects). You could then mix down to the computer to do some final tweaking and burning. But if you really wanna go digital, you can get a DigiDesign system for that kind of money, and probly have a few bucks left over.
What microphones do you have? A bunch of 57's will get the job done, but if 57's is all you have, I suggest spending some of that $6000 one some mics. Some SM 94's or 81's for overhead drums, a D112 on the kicker, and a good vocal mic. People around here seem to like the stuff from Audio Technica, as far as the semi pro $500 range is concerned. 57's can do everything else.
Perhaps someone else can suggest something better, but you have many options.
 
THX Agian

Reel 2 Reel now that sounds scary man of course i am a total amature at this recording bit but still sounds scary ! and sounds like in the long run they could cost a bit huh? 70$ each ouch ! and then i need tons of racks to make up for all the plugins i got (wich i havent used)
hmm
I checked out the digi stuff and it seems like to get any thing i could start with id be spending $10,000 and that i read would be just the begining i dont know that $4000 seems like so much more! i have it but dont want to spend cuzz well im an amature at this and im not exactly selling records here. Choices what bit…!

keep them coming i need more info ppl
i cant wait to get somthing to work with here! Im in that music store everyday there getting tierd of looking at me heheh!
This place Rocks !!
 
engineear said:
...But man, bludgeoning Ed like that!! That's gonna leave a mark. Must be hittn' the chianti. Just watch out if he starts eating fava beans WITH the chianti! papfipp pfipp, pfipp pfipp pfipp pfipp!!!!!!...
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Hopefully Ed knows I'm just teasin' 'im.... ;)

Bruce
:D
 
If I was in your position I would probably get 2 xt20's to track to, and a good soundcard for your G4 to mix down and burn a cd from. I assume you plan on using your mackie for preamps and to mix with, but you might want to consider a good preamp for critical vocal/acoustic applications.

A good stereo A/D converter is a must, either in your soundcard or an outboard one used with a soundcard with digital ins.

Now, if you need microphones as well you can easily exceed your budget, but you can easily just get one adat now and get the other one(s) later. That would leave a decent amount of cash for some mics.:)

On the other hand, if you do not plan on recording other people's demos you might could go with an all computer rig. The main problem with this now is that if you go with your G4 for tracking/mixing you will probably have at least SOME problems.;) I think everyone that has ever tracked with any computer would agree that you will have to tweak it a little before it will work just right. I have heard stories of people that have not had any problems at all, but I have also heard stories of people that have yet to track without a problem.

I already stated that I would go the adat route, but there is no doubt that eventually everything will be done with computers. Just not yet;)
 
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