What is a "Monitor Buss" typically used for?

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Reel deep thoughts...
Might be sort of a mixing 101 question, but I'm grappling with my 12 x 8 x 2 prototype Tascam mixer right now and working through how I ultimately want the devices in the studio to connect to it...thinking about typical scenarios I'll encounter as far as effects units, cue mixes needed, etc. Basically how I want to use the auxilliary busses on the mixer, and I'd love to hear from veteran recordists and engineers that contribute here regarding the Monitor Buss.

There was a thread some time back that led to a discussion on program group busses and it, particularly comments from A Reel Person, really opened my mind to the original use and intention of those busses and that was really great. So I guess I'm hoping for the same kind of thing here.

My situation with my mixer is that I plan on having a mixdown deck connected, an 8-track open reel deck, up to 12 individual sends and returns to and from my DAW (using direct outs for sends and line inputs for returns so the mixer can be used for analog summing), and at least two stereo effects units that could have mono inputs returned in stereo to the mixer.

I anticipate having no more than 3 artists at a time needing cue mixes and typically it will be just one artist at a time. I want to have at least one stereo cue mix available as that seems to work really well for vocalists...having the program mix panned center but to be able to return a stereo reverb to that cue mix.

The Tascam mixer is really a 12 x 12 x 12 x 8 x 2 mixer since two of the three inputs can be accessed, routed and summed through alternate paths while the third is routed through the channel strips. Then there is a stereo aux buss (that can function also as two mono sends) and then a 3rd and 4th aux buss...there is also the Monitor Buss. I have been assuming that this is a special buss for the engineer. Is that right? The Monitor Buss on the Tascam mixer is really comprehensive, being able to access 1 of 5 possible inputs independently across each of the 12 channels, and one of those input sources can be instantly switched between two source busses which in turn have 4 possible global sources...the Monitor Buss can be picked up by either pair of aux busses, dumped to the STEREO buss, and simultaneously routed to its own master knob which is output to jacks and also can be switched into the control room or studio outputs (which are present at their own jacks and can also be monitored in the headphones).

So my question in point is if you were the engineer, would you use the STEREO buss as the feed for the mixdown deck, the 8 PGM groups as 8-track sends, two mono aux sends for effects feeds, and the stereo aux send for a primary cue feed (could split to two mono if more than one artist is present) and then use the Monitor Buss as the engineer to be able to flexibly monitor all kinds of stuff without messing with the rest of the busses? Is that usually what its for?

I guess as I'm typing this all out I'm thinking "duh...of course that's what its for", but I've been getting my head twisted around a bit wondering how to get three separate cue mixes (one stereo, two mono) and two separate mono effects sends out of only 4 mono sends and I started wondering if the Monitor Buss was ever used as a comprehensive cue feed for talent.

It would just be valuable to this DAW convert who has little to no experience recording ensembles to hear from those of you for whom these situations are old-hat, audio veteran or not.

Thanks in advance! ;)
 
Maybe I should have just left it at "what is the Monitor Buss used for?"...
 
Hi sweetbeats! I've been reading your M-series Tascam posts and have quickly realized you might be the most knowledgeable person on the planet when it comes to these devices. As you know, there is still not a lot of info on these devices and the manuals for them are not the easiest to decipher. I was hoping to see if you can help me out with my Tascam M-50.

I'm sending tracks from my DAW to the mixer via 1/4" to RCA (INST IN inputs). That works great and I really dig the sound! Basically I want to send stems from my DAW into the Tascam Mixer and then perform a basic mix on the mixer and send back a stereo mixdown into my DAW.

My question is how to send back a signal. I know I can send back each input channel and each bus (pre and/or post fader). But I really want to know how to send back a stereo feed to my DAW. What are the best outputs on these devices to send back a mixdown for recording?

There are the balanced XLR outputs and there are two Stereo Masters out via RCA. I think those are my only two options? I've heard of folks taking all of their input channels and feeding them to one buss and then using the outputs of that buss.... but the buss outputs are mono only I believe. I do want to get all the preamp color and aux/effect sends/receives on the stereo mixdown .... that's why I'm sending the stems to the mixer in the first place! So I don't want to bypass any of that with whatever outputs I use.

I do have one more question too... I'm having trouble with the aux sends. Let's say I want to hook up a tape echo to one of them. The echo has mono inputs and outputs. Where do I patch those suckers in?

Thank you so much for your wisdom!
 
well the stereo masters out via RCA are the way to go! now just need to figure out the routing for external effects via the aux effects..... i see that there is an aux send/receive.... but not sure how to get the aux sound back into my mix...
 
I don't know what's typical, but on my board. The 16 buss's show-up in the separate monitor section. And can be switched between PGM and Monitor. Each having a separate fader. Too... each has the same Eq. as the input channels. So they can also be used as additional input channels. Typically, these 16 monitor modules are used to monitor the output from the MTR. I think!:confused:

I probably just made it clear as mud for you!:D
 
Sweetbeats,

Probably need one of those headphone distribution systems from Furman,Rane etc... for multiple headphone feeds.
That will free up AUX 3 and 4 for effects.
Tascam board looks like some kind of ON-AIR radio mixer or remote broadcasting.Weird.

Gary
 
The monitor buss is what you listen to when you're tracking. Inline consoles have a tape machine return buss so you can have a monitor mix that is independent from the levels you are actually sending the multitrack through the channel path. For mixing, most pro consoles will allow you to switch to a mix mode so that the multitrack outputs are fed to the channel inputs. In this case you mix to the "mix buss" out to the 2track.
 
The monitor buss is what you listen to when you're tracking. Inline consoles have a tape machine return buss so you can have a monitor mix that is independent from the levels you are actually sending the multitrack through the channel path. For mixing, most pro consoles will allow you to switch to a mix mode so that the multitrack outputs are fed to the channel inputs. In this case you mix to the "mix buss" out to the 2track.

This ^^^^^ An inline monitor bus will have small faders like the pic below, or sometimes rotary pots.

Alan.

monitor-bus.webp
 
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