What happened to the digi001

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According to firewire specs, devices can draw up to 1A at 12V. That's a hefty extra load for a laptop battery.
Providing phantom power should usually not be a problem since it's draws a current of around 5mA which is not much. It's the rest of the electronics in the recording device that's the problem, especially a nice set of class A preamps.
 
why are you questioning it when I say "PCI needs to Keep up"
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Uh...so you were implying that PCI needs to "keep up" with Firewire in terms of voltage supplied to external devices? Wow.
I don't know, ask someone with a laptop
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I wasn't aware that there were laptops that accommodated PCI cards.
 
elevate said:
Uh...so you were implying that PCI needs to "keep up" with Firewire in terms of voltage supplied to external devices? Wow.
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What I mean is PCI is going to have to do something extrodinary to keep up with the easy of "plug adn Play" type devices. In their attempt they created a PCI-X that will not work with the 001

elevate said:
I wasn't aware that there were laptops that accommodated PCI cards.
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yes that was the point I was trying to make.

I was not attempting to turn this in to a technical topic. I just don't think its right to complain that Digi is a bad company because they stop supporting a unit thats.....old. (I tried to find date but was unsuccessful) And it was a decision based on changes in technology (and user preference) rather then a change just to make users shell out cash for an upgrade
 
sk8ingsnowman said:
...... And it was a decision based on changes in technology (and user preference) rather then a change just to make users shell out cash for an upgrade
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Good Point. :cool:
 
What I mean is PCI is going to have to do something extrodinary to keep up with the easy of "plug adn Play" type devices. In their attempt they created a PCI-X that will not work with the 001
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Plug and play has NOTHING to do with hardware protocols and EVERYTHING to do with software. How long has plug and play support been available for PCI devices?...8 years?
yes that was the point I was trying to make.
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You did a poor job of making it then.
And it was a decision based on changes in technology (and user preference) rather then a change just to make users shell out cash for an upgrade
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That still doesn't change the fact that 99.99% of computers out there still have PCI slots. And really, are there any ultra-radical departures for Pro Tools that would make continuing support for the 001 anything more than cursory?
 
sk8ingsnowman said:
I just don't think its right to complain that Digi is a bad company because they stop supporting a unit thats.....old. (I tried to find date but was unsuccessful)
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The Digi 001 was introduced in the second half of 1999. I guess it's a little less than 5 years old. Now that I see the date, it doesn't look that old to be unsupported. My G4 is from that era and it still considered by Apple, which is sort of a miracle. But sometimes there's a certain technology that's an inflection point and doesn't last too long (Macintosh LC III, anyone?). In this case, however, there's too many users to think of it that way.

I still think MOTU's policy much nicer: they offer an upgrade for the internal card, not the whole device.

Andrés
 
I think the MOTU deal is great but for the 001 its an upgrade in a PCI card and OS mabye the unit itself would need upgraded for it to work. they would have to get pretty involved for just one product in their line
 
I think the MOTU deal is great but for the 001 its an upgrade in a PCI card
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Hello! McFly? The MOTU upgrade is an upgraded PCI card.

And this still doesn't change the fact that there are tons of PCI slots still out there.
 
you cut off my quote Biff. It is an upgrade of the PCI AND OS. All their LE systems run on a serial connection except the 001. Not sure but I would imagine the software is a little bit different then the software for the 002, 002r or the mbox Now they can concentrate on just two versions of PT rather then PT, PT LE and PT LE for the 001. see what I mean?
 
15-20 years ago, 5 years didn't seem like a long time in the computer industry. Now it is an eternity. I first ran my Digi 001 on a PII-700 (I think). Nowadays, 5 years is an eternity. I am on my 3rd PC in 5 years, and each one was a huge leap in processing power and stability, and much lower cost.

Do I wish Digi would keep making Pro Tools versions for my 001? Yes, of course I do.

Do I recognize that 5 years is an eternity in technology, and maybe maintaining support for the 001 would be a drain on Digi that most likely would not be worth doing? Yes.

But it still runs, so who cares?
 
you cut off my quote Biff.
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Yeah, I cut off the irrelevant part. Or could you explain how a voltage difference in a PCI slot affects software?
see what I mean?
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No. Pro Tools presumbaly has something like its own hardware abstraction layer, which, if Pro Tools is/was written by programmers with any competency whatsoever, should be entirely seperate from the Pro Tools interface. Updates to Pro Tools LE are, for the most part, interface enhancements and additions. The HAL-like component works, so no need to change it.
Do I recognize that 5 years is an eternity in technology, and maybe maintaining support for the 001 would be a drain on Digi that most likely would not be worth doing? Yes.
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Is it really a drain though? As I said above, the software component that drives the hardware is done and shouldn't need updating. The interface, which should be seperated from that component, should be able to be universally used across multiple hardware platforms.
 
Its not irrelevent at all. Digi is designing software to run on panther with a G5. The 001 will not run on a g5 so why waste time on it. The 001 will still work fine with out updates why should they put so much focus on a single product in their line?
 
elevate said:
Or could you explain how a voltage difference in a PCI slot affects software?
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I am not into programing at all but I think the upgrade would be a little more difficult to do then you explained, because they would be upgrading the PCI card and would also have to make the neccesary change for what ever the G5 processor requires. Would this upgrade not cost as much as the 002r exchange offer????
 
They should just keep updating it for the PC users, and stop updating it for the Mac users.
 
When did they stop selling the 001? I thought I saw it available at the big retail stores like GC last summer, maybe even after that.

I think a decent company should support its hardware until it is truly outdated. And outdated does NOT mean "I stopped selling it recently and would like everyone to go buy my newer product so it's outdated." Outdated also does NOT mean "I think someday people might stop using the PCI standard the 001 requires that is still used in 99% of the PCs out there today so it will someday be outdated so I might as well say it is outdated now." No, outdated means that given the state of technology actually being used by the overwhelming majority of people today, continued support would require a significant investment that would not help very many people. Outdated means rotary phones and Windows 3.1. Outdated means leaded gasoline. Outdated means Word Perfect 5.0 and Betamax.

I don't think a reasonably decent company could call the 001 outdated. They were selling it as recently as last year. There have been no major changes in technology such that the 001 should not continue working on the computers 99% of PC users currently have. If indeed DigiDesign believed that a product that has not been sold in one year is so out of date that it should not be supported, then DigiDesign should have told people who were buying it a year ago that it was on the verge of being so outdated that, in less than a year, DigiDesign would be cutting off support for it.

I think you ought to give these people who bought it last summer more than 1 year worth of support for a product in that price range.
 
they got rid of the 001 cuz the 002 is cheaper to produce. The 002 is basically the exact same as the 001, only difference is digidesign doesn't have to produce the pci card. In addition to cutting this cost, they have raised the price for an LE system. It's a cost issue.
 
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