What effects are on his voice!??

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Whats the best RAP MIC??!
I know a lot of people hate this kind of music, but I am just curious as to how the modern engineers mix these radio type songs vocalists.

It sounds like there is some sort of Pitch Adjustment on his voice, but it is very well done because there are like no little artifacts.

What else would be on his voice besides EQ Verb and Comp (most likely a ton! haha).

Thanks

Link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-zHzNMFM-8
 
Auto-tune or melodyne.

In order to do that you have to manually edit each note. There is also a method where you hook the pitch corrector to a keyboard and play the melody. The pitch corrector takes the melody and applies it to the voice.

In order to get the best results, the vocal has to be performed a certain way.
 
Most likey they have some type of spilt harmonizer on the vocals.

Im trying to figuer out how they do it as well however it does involve pitch shifting vocals.

I have not totally figuered it out yet but Ive been working on it the past few weeks.

This video kind of gets you in the right direction however Im still not totally happy with the results I get yet...keep working on it I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKOwNw9U4lE&p=36A784CB0F630D47&playnext=1&index=4
 
D_Vincent said:
Most likey they have some type of spilt harmonizer on the vocals.

Im trying to figuer out how they do it as well however it does involve pitch shifting vocals.

I have not totally figuered it out yet but Ive been working on it the past few weeks.

This video kind of gets you in the right direction however Im still not totally happy with the results I get yet...keep working on it I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKOwNw9U4lE&p=36A784CB0F630D47&playnext=1&index=4
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Thanks Fairview.

Is pitch correction an art in itself?
It really seems like these guys know what they are doing!

If I purchase the autotune VST, would I be able to hook up my midi controller and use it like that?

I want to try to get better at it too because I have a bunch of clients that come in wanting to record that type of sound.

I will check out that video man, thanks! Let me know if you figure it out!!!!
 
I really don't know, since I don't use auto tune in that way. You can draw it in manual mode, I've done that.

I watched the video, and I have two things that I do differently:

1. I use a dual pitch shifter instead of two mono ones

2. I delay the lower shifted vocal longer than the higher one. The reason behind that is that the higher note is always going to stick out and the one with the longest delay will stick out. You can use the delay on the lower one to balance the two.
 
D_Vincent said:
Most likey they have some type of spilt harmonizer on the vocals.

Im trying to figuer out how they do it as well however it does involve pitch shifting vocals.

I have not totally figuered it out yet but Ive been working on it the past few weeks.

This video kind of gets you in the right direction however Im still not totally happy with the results I get yet...keep working on it I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKOwNw9U4lE&p=36A784CB0F630D47&playnext=1&index=4
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interesting video.
 
We call this vocal stacking (for the harmonies), autotune/melodyne to get him perfectly on pitch, and Vocalign, which is an interesting plugin that uses time compression/expansion and analysis of waveforms to align passages of recorded audio that are similar in length and content i.e. someone sings part of a hook and cuts one word at the end short, or is slightly off time at a certain point (or all points) Using Vocalign can (usually) get it sounding like it was on time, however it can be quite finicky. If you triple and quadruple stack verses and hooks like a lot of the pop artists do now you are almost guaranteed to have timing issues, so this is a staple plugin in most major studios (and a lot quicker than editing/nudging/elastic audio)

There's a super cheap version of it available that does the most basic functions of the plugin.

I'm a fan of pure editing skills, but when you have time constraints and an inability to chop audio well... this is the best bet.
 
*shudder* I hate that shit. It's like an autotune/melodyne editor but multiple tracks for the audio, you can tell when he's not done singing and he starts singing over it...weird effect
 
Certainly not for every song but I like it in that one. Queen Bohemian Rapsody was the first time I ever heard really stacked vocals, (Freddie Mercury didnt use auto tune though nor did they have it then) Every voice has a small amount of tremolo/vibrato, melodyne can take that out so the tone sounds like a sampled note on a keyboard. The producer can add or remove whatever amount of tremolo, to make them as thick as wanted.
 
Nor did Freddie Mercury need it. Talent these days is more of an absence of talent and a presence of attitude/pleasing vocal chord vibrations (before autotune/melodyne)

Autotune has a natural vibrato :snicker: knob to add some in, and you can use plenty of plug-ins to bring it back.

My original post was pertaining to modern techniques. If we still had Freddie Mercurys around we wouldn't need Ke$has. Unfortunately this crap sells... so learn how to do it.

In response to Terra's post about him not being done singing that's an unfortunate side effect of many of the popular/modern vocalists not being able to complete an entire line without messing up, or a producer's decision to leave it in when either: he liked it/the editor sucked.
 
friesenman said:
Nor did Freddie Mercury need it. Talent these days is more of an absence of talent and a presence of attitude/pleasing vocal chord vibrations (before autotune/melodyne)
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absence of talent...couldn't have said it better, It's sad...I'm not from the 60's or 70's era, but was this a problem back then (the most untalented being among the most popular)? Or is this just a now generation shitty fad that's happening?
 
Terra said:
absence of talent...couldn't have said it better, It's sad...I'm not from the 60's or 70's era, but was this a problem back then (the most untalented being among the most popular)? Or is this just a now generation shitty fad that's happening?
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I think it's largely the industry being led (or leading themselves) temporarily astray. The latest numbers are showing that digital download quantities are flattening out big time and the industry can no longer hope and pray that they alone will make up for the accompanying disappearance of CD sales. People have pretty much loaded up their iPods and mePhones and PCs with the back catalogs of stuff they wanted their digital MP3 copies of, and the new stuff is left wanting. Sales are flat now because most of the older stuff has already been downloaded and consumed, and there are just not that many new killer acts and albums out there that the people really want to cross the street to add to their playlists.

It's not that there's a lack of human talent; there's more people alive on the planet now than have lived in all previous generations combined.So the amont of potential talent available has to be greater than ever before in history. It's just that the A&R guys and labels have to decide that truly talented singers and musicians are what's needed to bring sales back, not more CPU cycles thrown at ditzy blondes in silly costumes. If they really want the next Michael Jackson or Frank Sinatra, they should start look more for people with MJ's vision or Frank's original style and both of their bona fide musical chops and not just the next moonwalker and person who looks good in a tilted hat.

G.
 
c7sus said:
But I really look good in a tilted hat.
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What a coincidence! I happen to be a ditzy blonde in a silly costume. Maybe we should collaborate...

:D

G.

I am not a witch.
 
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OMG, and I happen to be Autotune! We need to make shit happen! Get this club POPPIN, YO!
 
Terra said:
absence of talent...couldn't have said it better, It's sad...I'm not from the 60's or 70's era, but was this a problem back then (the most untalented being among the most popular)? Or is this just a now generation shitty fad that's happening?
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Just wanted to throw this out there, and give hope to us all that there is still talent out there! Fair enough it is Kylie minogue, but EVERY artist should take note of this performance she did the other week as its quite simply spine tingley brilliant. No stacked vocals, no auto tune, just Kylie doing her thing.

Hats of to the lady.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efOr9xC4auM
 
Sounds like Kylie Minogue has some type of effect on her vocals in spots...you can hear some type of effect kick in at the 49 second mark.
 
friesenman said:
Talent these days is more of an absence of talent.

My original post was pertaining to modern techniques. Unfortunately this crap sells... so learn how to do it.

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There are plenty of great singers, singing right now. I could care less what sells, if you think modern music is crap and the talent is crap you should find something else that you would enjoy doing. :mad:
 
I like some of the modern music out today...One of the major negatives I have toward modern music is that bands seem to copy other bands sound because thats whats selling...not enough variety of sounds.

For me the 70's was the best decade for music because every band seemed to have their own sound and everything wasnt based on what you look like so there was some major talent being used regardless if you looked pretty or not.

I cant tell one band from the next these days because they all sound so similar...not saying the music isnt good but there isnt enough variety of sounds.


Video killed music...I hope that video dies out and record companies cant afford to produce them anymore...once that happens we may get back to the "real" talent and not just the pretty ones.
 
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