Went to a Grammy Academy 'songwriters discussion' last night (long)...

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These things are put on by the Academy to get new members to sign up. The more members they get in a certain area, the more events like this they will host. Anyway...

There were 3 Nashville songwriters/artists and 1 publishing guy there. One of them wrote "Bed of Roses" for Martina McBride (?), one of them wrote that last Brooks & Dunn song, "there ain't nuthin' 'bout you, that don't do somethin for me...", the other writer was Anita Cochran, a young, newer artist. All of them have written many other 'hits' for multiple people and talked a lot about co-writing, writing 3-4 scheduled days of the week (if not more), creativity vs. artistic expression, etc.

It really was as discouraging as it was encouraging. They're all working Nashville musicians and everything focused around "the Song" which makes sense, just not very exciting thinking of always trying to come up with the "next big hook". I think many of us are trying to express ourselves as well as make it acceptable to the general public. This means equal focus on being an artist as much as a songwriter.

I can think of worse jobs than sitting around writing songs all day, but I guess the reality of it is that publishing companies need good songs to pitch, and if you happen to write good stuff, you can make good money churning out 12 songs a month.

I'd love it if someone wanted to record a song of mine, but I want to write for me. The reality of the business is not always parallel with how we want things to be. Unless you have a great voice or are a great guitarist or have an angle, it's hard to be a successful artist.

Lately, my band hasn't been as active, so I'm getting out and doing solo shows at coffee shops etc. With the band, we're always trying to get to the next level, or record deal, or manager, etc. When I'm performing alone, I feel like I'm doing it for me and the competition is gone. Almost more fulfilling. I can do anything I want - Obscure covers, intrumentals, half-written songs, anything.

I've just had a bad taste in my mouth all day after attending this seminar. Good information, just a realistic dose of competition. I didn't hear anything I didn't already know, it just didn't inspire me to go home and write... and isn't that the point? Maybe I'll write a song about it.
 
I couldn't bare writing songs as an occupation. The last thing I feel like doing in the morning is picking up the guitar/going over to the piano. You need discipline..........I get up (early afternoon) and head straight for the whiskey, LOL.
 
About writing songs as an occupation, I mean for other people and then turning my back on them.
 
The stuff out of Nashville is as formulaic as it gets !No wonder it killed your vibe!If you like country I mean no offence..But it has turned into bad pop/rock with a twang..I saw the lyrics that you posted and they are good but to introspective for that country pop thing..Do the stuff you do and get better at that...You never know thing could swing your way.....


Don
 
Yeah, I agree guys. I think some of the songs have a great deal of talent. I mean that Brooks and Dunn song "Ain't nuthing bout you..." that the original writer played last night sounded great with just him, his gruff voice and a guitar. While the B&D version makes me puke.

Again, I can think of worse jobs, but for better or worse, I'm not gonna pursue that route.
 
Well, I'm certainly no songwriting pro but I can see how seeing
how they do it can be like seeing sausage made....a little ugly.
But I think those people don't sit around and wait for
inspiration and I think its always been that way. As far as the
formula stuff, I see formula stuff in every format, not just country.

Somebody can wait around and get inspired by the greatest idea
and it still be a lousy song. I've seen people say, after problems were pointed out in their song, "but it actually happened". I don't think that matters a bit. I was glancing through
John Braheny's book "The Craft & Business of Songwriting" at
the bookstore. He said he had critiqued a song and found what he perceived as a flaw in the song. The writer said "but I wrote this in Topanga Canyon" as if that was on some sacred ground
and thus, the song couldn't be questioned.

The story is the writers of the song "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" had never attended a baseball game when they wrote that song. And we know they'd never seen one on TV or even heard it on the radio because neither was around in 1909 when it was written. So it sure wasn't their love of baseball that motivated them to write it. But who cares? People still sing it and enjoy it, years after the copyright has run out on it. The guys who wrote "South Of The Border (Down Mexico Way)" had, as the legend goes, never been to Mexico when they wrote it . Again, who cares?

Some songs, whether they were the product of a scheduled co-write or written alone as inspiration, work and click with a large
population of the public which is what a hit is. To me, it matters
not what the intention of the writer was at the time when they
wrote it, just the final product.

PaulB
 
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