Weird request for recommendations - wireless condensers for church choir?

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I had a good time two weeks ago recording our local high school's audition choirs to make a sort of "memoirs" CD for the students. Turned out very nicely - the pianist who volunteers to play for the school (plays very well) also helps run the music program in his church. He asked me if I had any recommendations for wireless choir microphones as his church wanted to install a "set" for their auditorium. I'm not familiar with wireless microphones for this application, so I thought I'd ask for some recommendations here.

Any thoughts?

Jay
 
I don't have any experience with wireless mics directly, but I did recently read an article that gave a warning that wireless mics might be getting dumped on the market soon, due to the advent of television broadcast going digital. It seems some of the
lesser brands never got FCC registered for the particular bands they transmit on and those bands are being methodically licensed for TV transmission.

Just a heads up.
 
Superficially can suggest they take a look at the Audio Technica product line. They have a variety of options at a variety of price points and overall (while there is a range of 'quality' in what they offer) AT quality (compared with other product at specific price points) is relatively . . . OK. You can get cheaper and you can go a lot more expensive but Audio Technica is a good place to start a review to see the type of options available

That said I doubt that looking at a range of what is available is going to be all that helpful.

To even start limiting options I'd want a lot more information. (rather obviously budget is a primary consideration) What they are trying to accomplish, very specific goals, is important.

If the choir is going to be in motion, or if the choir is going to perform in a lot of unfamiliar venues that do not have installed sound reinforcement then wireless can be a very functional, even an 'only' choice. Additionally if the church group rents a facility for which they need to supply their own sound reinforcement then wireless mics on the choir can be an efficient choice. If they are primarily interested in sound reinforcement in a fixed location: choir as motionless as most choral groups I've seen, performing in the same venue more or less constantly then using wireless reinforcement with the idea that it is more convenient to install and deploy is something that needs to be reinvestigated.

The space in which the choir is housed, the space they are addressing, whether they are looking for parallel reinforcement and recording, whether the recording is to include video, the size of the choir, prevalence of soloists, type of accompaniment, even type of HACV servicing the venue are all significant variables.

A simple and cost effective (depending on significant variables) approach can be Decca Tree (or variation) Three omni mics addressing choir in inverted 'T', more or less, if Choir has director, centered on director, at least as far off the floor as directors ears.

For less then $600 you should be able to pick up 3 omni condensers, suitable for either hanging or installing with booms and VHF receivers and transmitters for the mics The VHF wireless systems are not going to, theoretically VHF systems (anything below TV channel 51) should not be effected by sell off of analog bands (but not a lawyer don't play one on TV and what's going to happen with 'airwaves' from here on is anyone's guess) be effected in same way UHF systems might.. Once you move away from handheld or headphone pretty much any mic can be adapted for wireless. Condensers requiring phantom power impose additional complications a reason which is why small lavaliere style mics that can be powered via batteries on transmitter packs are attractive options with wire less systems

So the three mic system includes AT899 omni's, ATW R250 paired to ATW T201 (roughly $85 for pair) . . . Throw in a couple of boundary mics (addition cost and T/R pairs) and you've got a lot of coverage without excessively complicated or even intrusive set up. Placement of omni's and boundary while not trivial is less problematic, in some ways, then other mic choices.

Standard disclaimers are: 1. Have no connection to Audio Technica 2. This is not necessarily a system I'd recommend for any specific application . . . But simply provides some specific part #'s to start the investigation
 
"Wireless" and "installed" don't usually go together. Receivers, sure, but installed transmitters? I mean, sure, you can connect many of the AT, Shure, Sennheiser hanging/lapel/etc. mics to a bodypack, but all bodypacks need power because they are transmitters! So you need to have the bodypacks in a location where you can change the batteries, or you'll also have to install low-voltage or full AC power near the location. And if you have to install wire, might as well just skip the transmitters and wire the hanging mics all the way back to the board.

There are probably some situations where it makes sense, but I'd go for hardwired hanging mics unless there is a significant barrier to doing so.

The big boys are only selling new gear that is compliant with the new frequency bands, so that shouldn't be a worry. They will eventually need to register their frequencies and site on the FCC website to prevent interference, when whitespace devices are available and the site is up. They should avoid buying used gear, or at least ensure it isn't 700mHz. Read Shure's explanation here:

http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/PressRoom/WhiteSpaces/index.htm

One thing to be aware of is a lot of not very knowledgeable choir directors think you need scads of microphones to mic a choir. Even most choirs with three hanging mics have one too many. Small choirs really only need one! Plus a wireless handheld for a soloist or two, but that should really be it. I've seen thirty member choirs with 12 microphones, which is just insane.
 
Yep...

It's a weird request, that's why I posted it up here. I've never even considered wireless for this type of application, so when the pianist asked for recommendations, the only thing I could offer was that I'd ask around and see if anyone had ideas.

I think I'll just relay what I already told him....that wired applications would offer better solutions in my opinion (and also in the opinion of others). Thanks for the info in any case.

Cheers,
Jay
 
They may be looking for hand mics for soloists, in which case wireless would make sense, but yeah, for overheads, it doesn't make much sense.
 
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