Weak signals?

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Okay, this is kind of like my last post about this. My problem is I'm not getting a very hot signal from my mixer into my computer.

For example, I can record a guitar at a decent level if I crank the gain half way and the amp is loud. But just as a test, my girlfriend brought over this gigantic Yamaha keyboard she is borrowing for a few months, and while she was playing it in my basement I put a SM57 on one speaker, and came up here. Threw up the fader and whatnot, and I had a nice hot signal. I tried recording it to my computer and a waveform barely showed up at all -- and this keyboard was at full volume.

So...Yamaha keyboard > SM57 > Audiopro mixer > snake > Delta 1010lt > Cool Edit

The faders are up full on the Delta software and everything. Now, this sort of all ties back to about a month ago. Today I was reading on here and someone mentioned maybe they weren't getting a strong signal to their computer because they were using their inserts as direct outs...which is exactly what I'm doing.

Is this the case or what? I plug the cable from the snake to the first click, and the sound still comes through, and if I plug it in all the way it still sends the signal but it cuts out of the sound from the speakers. The back of this board says INSERTS, so obviously they are not direct outs but they are working like them. Anyways, would this be the case possibly? I know Hosa sells those little cables that turn inserts into direct outs (and no I'm not skilled enough to make my own unfortunately), but, AH, help!
 
No, I don't think the problem would be due to the Inserts per se.
You should be fine using them in the "first click" manner.
It may have to do with the reference signal value (i.e. +4 or -10).
Unfortunately, I don't have a Delta 1010LT but does it's control panel allow you to select the reference level? If so, you may want to change the setting it is at now to the other.
 
I was hoping you'd see this thread, thanks. Yes, the 1010lt does in fact let you choose, I'll have to test my luck with that tomorrow! The reference signal values for it are as follows:

+4dBu
"Consumer" (which is what is default selected)
-10dBV

So I'll fiddle with it tomorrow, thanks.
 
Well before I headed into bed I snunk a test with a cheap guitar and amp for fun. I was reading the 1010lt manual and it said +4dBu was the hottest one, but I did a test of all three and with the output being on +4dBu and the input on -10dBV I gottest the hottest signal. Wasn't the hottest, but I didn't have the amp very loud...still think there is something missing here.
 
Other than that, you may just need to crank up the gain/trim control for that channel's preamp.
Chances are, those Pre Out/Inserts are pre-fader. So, the faders won't effect any level attenuation going to the 1010LT. You would need to use the gain/trim control to adjust how "hot" of a signal is showing up within the software and use the faders for your monitor mix.
 
I'll have to check on that fader bit...I can crank the gain I just have it in my head that I'd rather not crank it a ton. Is there a rule of thumb sort of thing for setting gain levels? Do you just crank as much as it needs or what? For my gain knob it runs from 12 to 60, and I usually have to crank it up to near 36 for a decent level.
 
Is there a rule of thumb sort of thing for setting gain levels?
Gain Structure may offer some insight.

Do you just crank as much as it needs or what?
Well yeah, it's likely the only means of level attenuation you have going to the Delta. You need to check your input levels via the Delta control panel and the input meters of your recording software.
Dynamic mics will require a bit more gain than a condenser as they aren't as sensitive. Other than that, you would have to crank up the source.
I wouldn't worry to much about having to crank the gain up, unless you start to get distortion or the noise floor of the mixer/preamp gets unacceptable.
 
Thanks, you are once again correct, the fader isn't controlling the signal at all, except for my speakers, so I guess the gain is my volume knob, heh.
 
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