VoicePrism, Antares Vocal Producer

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Looking for some advise from anyone using either the TC-Helicon VoicePrism/VoicePrism Plus or the Antares Vocal Producer. I am thinking of investing in one of these units shortly for my home Studio. I have been to their Web sites and have read all I can on both products, but I'm looking for actual user input. I did a search on the entire site and read all the posts related to this, but most of them are 6 months old or more.The following is what advise I would like:

1) IS the voicecraft card that comes with the VoicePrism Plus worth the extra 500 bones.

2) Anyone familiar with TC VoiceOne product and how that is different then the voiceCraft card in the VoicePrism Plus, they sound very similar.

3) The Antares Vocal Producer is signifanctly less the the Voice Prism and comparisons, any one tried both that would have some pro/con advise for me.

4) Vocal Producer has autotune anyone know if VoicePrism has anything similar to that.

5) Any other info on any of these units I should consider but making my decision.

I am looking for the backup harmonies and some help with the overall lead vocal tracks . Thanks a lot in advance for any HELP you can provide.
 
BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP .... come on someone anyone who even tried one or saw one being used or demoed .. impressions.
 
I wish i had more info for you... I worked at a studio that had the vocalprism... It does have an autotune. i didnt think it was worth it... I didnt think the harmonizer sounded realistic enough for the $1500 price tag. They never used the built in pre amp, so i cant say anything about that. And i wouldnt think the effects would be any better than an effects box for half the price.

I wish i could tell you more, but i never had any hands on experience with it.


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The Antares Vocal Producer is a flop -- first off, it only works at -10dbV, which, depending on your setup can be a major issue....

Second, it's works only about half as well as "auto" mode on the Antares Autotune plug-in, so it's not very effective.... the only usable Autotune mode is via the plug-in's manual mode - the hardware versions aren't very good compared to the latest plug-in.

I couldn't tell you about the other products.... but the question comes to mind - why do you want this? These types of units are best used for track rescue operations -- they're no replacement for talent!
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
The Antares Vocal Producer is a flop -- first off, it only works at -10dbV, which, depending on your setup can be a major issue....

Second, it's works only about half as well as "auto" mode on the Antares Autotune plug-in, so it's not very effective.... the only usable Autotune mode is via the plug-in's manual mode - the hardware versions aren't very good compared to the latest plug-in.

I couldn't tell you about the other products.... but the question comes to mind - why do you want this? These types of units are best used for track rescue operations -- they're no replacement for talent!
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I disagree.
I use the Vocal Producer and LOVE it!
The mic modeler is very good at getting great tone from any mic.
The Autotune works great when applied sparingly.
If you need more just apply it again to taste.
The adjustable-knee compressor/gate is excellent.
I like it better than the RNC on my voice.
The easiest deesser I've ever used.
Nice EQ.
Major bang for the buck.
Let me know if you have more specific questions about the Antares unit, but I never used the TC unit.
Peace.
Carmen
:)
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
The Antares Vocal Producer is a flop -- first off, it only works at -10dbV, which, depending on your setup can be a major issue....

Second, it's works only about half as well as "auto" mode on the Antares Autotune plug-in, so it's not very effective.... the only usable Autotune mode is via the plug-in's manual mode - the hardware versions aren't very good compared to the latest plug-in.

I couldn't tell you about the other products.... but the question comes to mind - why do you want this? These types of units are best used for track rescue operations -- they're no replacement for talent!
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I have a VoicePrism and have had it for about a year and a half. I agree that it is no substitue for talent. It is a tool that can be used to add some additional elements and the effects are very good, except for the autotune (unless you actually want the sound of munchkins)

These things all have a place, but you need to plan how to use them and make sure that they are not overused. The VoicePrism is like putting salt on your food. A little enhances the flavor, but too much ruins the meal. I guess that can be said about all effect processors???
 
Thank you everyone for responding. Let me tell you what I want to use wither of the products for and maybe you can give me some more direction. I have a sound proof studio in my Basement
and the Yamaha AW4416 is my recording console. I am looking for a couple of things from either unit:

1) Good backing Harmonies that sound Human, don't always have a host of singer in my basement at 2am.

2) Wondering about Mic Pre Capabilities of the VoicePrism, my understanding is the that the Vocal Producer does not included a Mic Pre, but does do Mic modeling which I do not believe the VoicePrrism does.

3) I understanding nothing replaces vocal talent, I have couple of people who sing for me on occasion and I also sing some. My vocal skills are average , my other singers probably a little better. I am looking to enhance their vocal tracks and hopefully improve on them a little including adding harmonies. The reason for Voiceprism Plus over Voiceprism to try and improve the vocals as best I can, VoicePrism has tools for lead Voice, trying to determine if the addition $500 buck for VP Plus are worth it.

4) The price differential between them is significant Antares ($500) VoicePrism ($800), Prism Plus ($1300). Is the Pre capability and Lead Voice Capability a worthwhile $800? How do the harmony capabilities between the units compare. If Anatares Harmonies are just as good and I also get MIc Modeling maybe I go that way and buy a separate MIC Pre.
 
I have been down this road many times and still I have not purchased a vocal unit. Let me tell you what I have learned.

VoicePrizm -- don't bother unless you get the upgraded version. I saw somewhere recently they were throwing in the card for only 100$ or something crazy like that but I can't remember where. Even with the upgrade it is just ok. The preamp is nothing to write home about, a VTB-1 or RNP would probably be much better. The effects are NOISY. That is the real reason I didn't buy it, that and it's fun to sound like Barry White for about 20 minutes, then it gets old. The harmonies are really pretty good, but that unit is almost 2 years old and better stuff has come along...probably. I know TC has another unit designed for vocals (1U) and I have been meaning to check it out but I haven't done so yet. If you use the harmonies rarely and then push them back in the mix you might be able to pull it off, I haven't mixed anything from the VoicePrizm but I have demoed them a ton.

The vocal producer looks pretty darn cool but I haven't used it. I have used Autotune and the mic modeler plugins. A friend of mine makes much of his living off of tuning vocals using the autotune plugin. He has used the Vocal Producer and therackmount autotune and hates them both. The plugin is more configurable and easer to fix single notes rather than make you sound vocoded.
The mic model plugin rules. It's not perfect, but it acts as a really cool eq and can pull off many models. It's usually best to start with a high quality mic to emulate others. Large Condesners are best. Starting off with a 57 works, but not as well.

Hope that helped some.

Just for a demo, there are a few other processors out there by digitech that some say are ok (haven't ever tried them) and then of course Eventide if you are rich. You can try to find some free harmony plugins or demos online and play with them also. They are fun. I have used them in one demo cut I did. Though I can't say that I remember the name of the plugin....
--MIKE
 
Hey Mike Thanks for your input I do appreciate it. I am aware of the other products on the market but from the research I have done and reviews I have read these two products appear to be the best on the market at the moment.

CarmenC, you didn't mention the Harmony capabilities of the Vocal Producer in your posts and if you use them and how well you think they work. If you have any feedback on that I would greatly appreciate it.
 
iwanarock said:
Hey Mike Thanks for your input I do appreciate it. I am aware of the other products on the market but from the research I have done and reviews I have read these two products appear to be the best on the market at the moment.

CarmenC, you didn't mention the Harmony capabilities of the Vocal Producer in your posts and if you use them and how well you think they work. If you have any feedback on that I would greatly appreciate it.
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I didn't mention the harmony capabilties of the AVP-1 beacuse it doesn't have any. The AVP-1 has AutoTune, Mic Modeling, Compresser/Gate, De-esser and doubling.
My suggestion is to download the manuals of both pieces and read them.
Then you will understand their features and know which is best for the music you record.
Here is the AVP-1 Manual...
http://www.antarestech.com/downloads/AVP_Manual.pdf

The AVP-1 website with audio examples...
http://www.antarestech.com/products/avp.html

Review of AVP-1...
http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_antares_vocal_producer/index.htm

VoicePrism Manual...
http://www.tc-helicon.tc/Files/helicon_files/VOICEprism.pdf

Review of VoicePrism...
http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_tc_helicon_voiceprism/

Good Luck,
Carmen

:)
 
iwanarock....

...you still never answered WHY you feel you need these units?!?!?

There are likely better uses for the money you're going to spend on them....
 
Hey Blue Bear I did answer your question, read my post a couple back.

CarmenC.....thanks again, I had already read the reviews awhile ago and I just forgot the AVP didn't do any backing harmonies, I Knew it had the Mic Modeling capability and the VoicePrism did not and forgot about one of the other major differences. I knew there was a reason a couple of reason why I was leaning more toward the VoicePrism Plus ,though I have almost as much interest in the the MIc Modeling as I do the Harmonies. If I only had an end less supply of money.
 
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