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I'm a newbie so I got a question that I'm pretty sure some of you have answers to.:)

Anyways, I recorded this take on a vocal & Ive compressed & tried a de-esser...but I'm still alotta "sssh" or harsh sounding "hi frequencies" in the vocals...is there anyway I can fix that thru a parametric eq or graphic equalizer?

 

I'm a newbie so I got a question that I'm pretty sure some of you have answers to.:)

Anyways, I recorded this take on a vocal & Ive compressed & tried a de-esser...but I'm still alotta "sssh" or harsh sounding "hi frequencies" in the vocals...is there anyway I can fix that thru a parametric eq or graphic equalizer?


You might have it compressed too much. Also, if the vocals were recorded with the singer right on top of the mic, you might get more than you can adjust.

just guessing here.....
 

So Im using a ratio of 8:1 and how should I position the mic for the singer? Singer in front of mic? Singer below the mic? How much distance between the two?

 
How did it sound before you squashed the hell out of it....I mean, before you compressed it???
 
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8:1 That's a lot of compression! Are you sure you're not killing the dyamics of the song? Maybe try and reduce it a bit and see if it sounds better?

Good Luck
 
actually, no, we don't have the perfect answer for you. Some singers can stand a foot away, some 2 feet, whatever. It's YOU who has to experiment and find the right situation. It also depends on where you're recording, what mic you're using, preamp or mixer, your room. 8:1 ratio is a pretty rough deal because you're raising the volume of the "quieter" sounds like "s". Why did you have to compress the voice to that level? Also check your attack/release settings.
 
Have you tried?

Best answer to a question with a question I've heard in a while...



Mixteco: if indeed you need to use such high levels of ratio on compression, u may want to try this: make a copy of the processed vocal, ...on the copy of the vocal, place an eq on the insert, search for your frequency that has the offending sibilance, and increase it by around 3db..cut out (lower) all other frequencies...then send that signal into a side chain of another compressor on a bus..its like making a very specific de-esser that you can control a bit better than the normal compressor plug-ins and a lot of home recording friendly hardware units
 

I'm a newbie so I got a question that I'm pretty sure some of you have answers to.:)

Anyways, I recorded this take on a vocal & Ive compressed & tried a de-esser...but I'm still alotta "sssh" or harsh sounding "hi frequencies" in the vocals...is there anyway I can fix that thru a parametric eq or graphic equalizer?

the best way to fix it is to retrack it without the "sssh" or harsh sounding "hi frequencies".
 
If You're a newbie, then my suggestion is to try a good multiband compressor. It will do the best for You, as You're not familiwar with advanced compression settings. That will make possible to use a superfast attack times for de-essing range of compression while maintaining natural timbre of vocals with soft compression ratios and times.

If You'd like not to disturb the voice entirely, use as narrow de-essing range as possible, as cutting wide can be heard.

Then don't forget to place EQ (if necessary – miltiband compresson is actutally a form of dynamic EQ-ing) after, NOT BEFORE miltiband compressor.

And use a good (nylon, not metal) pop-up filter for recording vocals. This may sometimes prevent from extensive "essing".

PS. If You or Your singer records in front of a wall or glass or any sound-reflecting-something, it may bring "essy" effest to the track. Plain surface (especially glass) can reflect high frequencies quite significantly and bring them back to the mic with additional delay.

PS. II. What kind of a microphone You use? I mean is it a proper condenser one, reaching 20 kHz? If the answer is YES than that's OK. Despite common opinions, mics that aren't good in high frequencies may emphasize essy range by cutting high end - it's a bit complicated to explain, but happens. Lack of hi-end harmonics means more freedom for essy frequencies in the middle to expand –*to achieve a clean, crystal sound that puts vocals in front of a mix, You'll probably need EQ-ing the vocal line, and that may ampliffy what You're trying to avoid.

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