Very wierd problem in Sonar - Part 2

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I recorded a stereo acoustic guitar track last night. Two mics into mixer, out the inserts to the Delta 1010 ins 5/6. On playback each mic has its own track in Sonar, panned hard right and left in my speakers. I can hear the difference in the tone so I know I'm getting different sinals. Looks good. The mixer channels were panned down the middle, but where I was using the inserts and not the master, I figue I'm getting each mic discretely.

The problem:
I go into Sonar and start to change the panning. The pan window shows movement, but the sound does not move. Not a bit. Hard left on one and hard right on the other. I thought maybe I inadvertantly recorded stereo, but I'm only getting a single wave graphic on each track. I got some relief when I bounced to another track as mono. At this point though, the levels were quite a bit lower.

What the hell did I do?:confused:
 
ChuckU,

Take a look at your signal routing. Is it possible that your moniors are playing back not your stereo mix, but individual outputs from each track? You could try plugging in headphones and see if you get the same result. It might help you pinpoint if it is a recording or playback problem in Sonar, or something to do with how you are routing your monitor signal.
 
Routing somewhere may be the problem. For example, the Delta 1010 software mixer with its patchbay routing is still a bit of a mystery to me. And it's monitoring scheme.
But I think you're suggesting something hardware related and no, that's not a problem because I have other tracks in the same project and other projects that I can do whatever I want with regard to panning. It's just these two.
Thanks.
 
More bad news

I went into another project last night. I had a track that was panned 100% to the left side. Moved the pan lever - nothing. Sound hard left. Did panning automation. Hard right, hard left, center, etc. Pan window showing changes, envelopes written in track view. Sound hard left. No effects on. No aux buss routing on.
I even went into the event list and the control changes were written.

WTF?:( :mad: :confused:
 
It could be David. I just got off the phone w/Cakewalk support and they were a bit surprised by this. The suggestion was to try going into Audio->Options and make sure "Access driver in mono" is off.
I will check on pan being disabled, which might have happened when I started using my HD recorder as a control surface. After all, it sends midi messages.
I looked to see if there was anything obvious in the event list and there is some data there that I can't delete. If I bounce the track, that data doesn't show up (on the new track) and I can pan.
 
Back again

I tried to see if there was a way to enable/disable panning in an audio track as there is in midi (that's what that link was discussing)
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45718

Right now I'm thinking it has to do with 24 bit recording. The tracks that are giving me trouble are all 24 bit I believe, and they're in projects with 16 bit tracks.

Also, when I bounce and the problem goes away in the new track, I notice the peaks are much lower. Maybe the new tracks are 16 bit? I don't know. This theory came to me in the middle of the night.

Does anyone know a quick way to tell if a clip is 16 or 24 bit?

Anyway, if I don't figure this out, I'm going to the user group mtg. on the 25th and I'll hand over a bundle file and see if the experts can.:confused:
 
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Can you have 24 and 16 bit tracks in the same project? I don't have sonar, but I don't think you can in pa-8 anyway.
If you had two files or copies of the same length you could compare the clips' file sizes and if one is 24 bit it would be 50% larger. I had to do that once when I ended up with some 24 bit mix-downs by mistake that wouldn't burn to CD-A.
Don't know if that helps any.
Wayne
 
I am a stupid $hit!

I had to revive this thread because it might help someone else....

The problem again was that I recorded two tracks at one time from 2 mics and panned them hard right & left. Later I wanted to change my panning a bit. I noticed that the panning on the tracks showed dead center, but I could still hear them panned hard. When I dragged the pan slider, nothing happened to the sound or the meters.
Problem? I WAS IN OFFSET MODE!!!

At some point after recording and panning in normal mode, I went into offset mode to make some level changes. I didn't realize that pans would be visibly set back to center. That's what happened. No signal routing problem. No Sonar glitch. Just an inadvertant switch to offset mode and a lack of understanding.
There's some consolation in the fact that Cakewalk support missed this one, too.
Hope this helps someone.
 
Thanks, I just ran into this same problem last night!


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