using a Cubase plug-in on a cakewalk program???

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I have Sonar and PA9.
Someone told me I might be able to use a plug-in from 'Cubase VST plug-in'.
Can I use a Cubase plug-in on a cakewalk program?

Thanks in advance.
 
latency?

Hmm, I wonder how does this "wrapper" affect audio/midi latency? Also, does the wrapper work with only effects plugins? Can it work with intrument/synth plugins as well?
 
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Elementary query

Maybe this should be in the Newbie thread but yawl have the subject going. I am just beginning Sonar so I saved the above reference for future use[maybe]. Can sombody please tell me what a "VST plug in" is? What would one accomplish?
 
A plug-in is a "utility package/program" that is used within another program (i.e., it has no functionality on its own). For ex., in Sonar when you patch a reverb effect (or eq or compression, etc.) to an audio track, the reverb will be in the form of a plug-in. The reverb plug-in will take the audio signal from Sonar, process it, and return it with the added effect. However, it can't be used outside Sonar (except within another program that supports it).

Plug-ins can be included within the package that is supplied by the primary manufacturer, or can be provided by a 3rd party supllier. Sonar includes several plug-ins within it's base package (e.g., FXReverb), and there are 100's of others that can be downloaded and used from other suppliers (some are even free).

To get all these devices (the audio program and the plug-in) to work nicely together, you need a standard. Today there are two primary standards for audio plug-ins: DirectX and VST. DirectX is the standard used by Sonar/Cakewalk, Sonic Foundry and others, while VST is the standard used by Steinberg (Cubase/Wavelab) and maybe others.

If a plug-in is written for the VST standard, you can't use it in an audio program that utilizes the DirectX standard - unless you have a conversion program (i.e., a VST to DirectX wrapper). Therefore if you happen to have a VST plug-in and you want to use it in Sonar, you need a VST-DirectX wrapper.

(Not sure if this explanation is entirely "technically" correct, but it should give you the general idea.)
 
Wrapper

I downloaded wrapper and still couldn't find out any latency response because I still have problems setting up my synth. The wrapper works fine, it's just that when I click in the FX panel (in Audio track), the DXi menu doesn't showup. I have the wrapper under effects menu. I just decided to go with it even though it's under the wrong category. My Vst synth came up nicely. Anyways, I still can't route my synth to the midi channel. It just doesn't show up on the Out panel in the midi channel.

Sonar is weird in that it has to route signals from audio to midi, I think in most sequencers you just set up synths directly in the midi channel. I don't understand why you have to do all this just to play each synth. It get's pretty tedious when you have a lot of synths and plus have to deal with Vst wrapping as well. :)

Anyone have any clues to what I am doing wrong in Sonar? Or hints and tips with routing synths?
 
I believe the VST Adapter program from www.fxpansion.com will allow you to use both VST plug-ins and VST Instruments, but it's not free.

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Scott

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Sonar is weird in that it has to route signals from audio to midi, I think in most sequencers you just set up synths directly in the midi channel. I don't understand why you have to do all this just to play each synth.

It's not routing audio signals to MIDI, it's setting up the Dxi synth (which needs to be routed to audio outputs) to be available as a choice in the pull-down list. You trigger it with MIDI from a MIDI channel but it actually outputs to the audio stream directly in real-time.
 
Man, you guys are great. You've answered a future question I was going to ask. :)
Thanks for the advice and the links.
 
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