urgent problem, need solution!

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ok guys im moving into another 3 bedroom apartment, but theres a problem. were gonna live right above the manager, and my bedroom is gnna be right above his. now the problem. he HATES noise. any kind, he warned that we shouldnt bring in instruments, because it will most likely get us kicked out. now the help with the solution. i need to know how much that foam padding costs. i know it makes the sound dry and dull, but i need the most insulation possible (meaning i dont want any sound coming out of room) can u guys bring up ideas and prices, i dont have alot of money to waste, but then again i dont want the ugliest shit on my walls, cuz this is my bedroom lol. thanks in advance!
 
I'd look for another place to live.
The only way to stop sound is to add mass and space.
Carpet aint gonna do it.
Foam aint gonna do it.
Insulation aint gonna do it.

You have to build up the walls and the floor with more wallboard, more plywood, and in multiple layers, and seal every seam, and every hole.
Even then, some sound will escape.
 
sheetrock and "airtightiness" to use the technical term. No other solution for sound isolation. I repeat no other solution. get nubular . . . . . .
 
Both Michael and nubs are exactly right... find another place to live or you'll go thru a whole lot of unecessary stress (the guy told you up-front about his extreme aversion to noise and you're a musician - and he's the manager of the bldg.... HELLO - do you need more of a wake-up call that this ISN'T going to be the place to live?!?!?!?)
 
:( A big NO NO Outlaw, been there done that.
Start looking in the paper again, sorry.


da MUTT
 
I'm in the same boat with a 3 bedroom apartment (I ran out of options at the last minute). I've had to make due with recording direct (eek) for scratchpad stuff, and dragging my gear to another location for more serious stuff. There's no way in bloody hell I'm going to go through the trouble of soundproofing a craphole apartment then tearing it all down when I leave. It'll be another 9 months before I'm a homeowner and go the soundproofing route.

If you still have the option, find another place. If not, find a place you can drag your gear to.
 
You have 3 choics... as previously mentioned, (1) you can find a different place to live... or (2) kill the building manager... or (3) learn to work with a drum machine, a pod, and singing softly... other than that, there's nothing you can do that doesn't require a 'structural support analysis' of the building.

Best of luck.
 
after all these comments, damn lol alot of thinkin for me,

1. well, its not MY place, im 16 still live with parents, so thats not my decision where we move.

2. the managers son is an old friend of mine, hope that helps me in the long run lol

3. even tho im above him, 2 of my walls go to the street, one to bathroom, and one to living room, i got a thich grey carpet on the floor, so that wont harm him much

4. i gues only thing i can prevent is my amp bass, i gotta buy one of those amp stands so the floor doesnt rumble lol

but thanks anyways guys, u convinced me not to taper my walls with foam all around the room LOL
 
LOL hahah. well the idea was we find a 4 bedroom house, but that proved real difficult for a low price out here in hollywood, so we got this fucking apartment. my dad even told me, if we woulda bought that house. one of the bedrooms he woulda funded like 8 Gs in modifying it to be a studio, he said as long as i make profit recording other bands im coo, lol i guess thats later :-/
 
outlawtorn86 said:
3. even tho im above him, 2 of my walls go to the street, one to bathroom, and one to living room, i got a thich grey carpet on the floor, so that wont harm him much

Uuurgghhh.... if you have one wall in common with the neighbor, you're fucked. And while a "thich grey carpet" (whatever that is) may be a pleasant decorating item... it ain't gonna do shit to stop sound.

Think of sound like behaving in a similar manner as water... if it can flow around an edge, it will find that edge and flow around it. If the carpet couldn't support a room full of water, it won't be able to stop a roomful of sound.

Yes, your bass amp will indeed be a problem... no, getting a stand for it won't help that much. It's great that your dad was thinking about popping $8g's to assist you with turning the 4th bedroom in your house into a studio... but frankly, while $8g's is a hell of a lot of money, it ain't shit in the wonderful world of acoustic isolation.

Most of this foam crap is a smoke and mirrors band-aid on a head wound approach to acoustics. Just because the shit is for sale, don't make it effective by any stretch of the imagination... it just means that it's for sale, and it's manufacturers stand to gain by it's sale.
 
i meant my bass frequencies coming from the guitar amp. doesnt it lessen them if u get the amp off the floor. and also i mean THICK grey carpet... i guess a jar of water cant reach my downstairs neighbor, sound shouldnt either rite LOL
 
Fletcher's absolutely right... the carpet could be 6-inches thick and it will do shit in blocking the sound....

Bass frequencies have wavelengths measured in feet, do you really think raising an amp off the floor a few inches is going to make a difference???

And I guarantee, unless specialized construction techniques were used (that takes sound studio isolation into account) when the apt. building was built, there will be very little sound containment.... (ie, spill a jar of water and you're guaranteed that it WILL leak through to the neighbor downstairs....)

You don't have to beleive us... after all, what the fuck do any of us know in comparison to you???? (what with Fletcher being an industry heavyweight and you being a teenager -- your advanced knowledge speaks for itself!!!)

:rolleyes:
 
lmao ok ok im not like opposing what he says, i was just wonderin about the bass frequencies. cuz like theoretically, when u have ur amp on the floor, the vibrations go straight from the amp to the floor, when u have it elevated, it would go through the amp holdre to the floor, which should make some difference no?
 
Wait! did you say GRAY carpet? Your cool then - the color gray is a known harmonic of all audible frequencies... this means that in carpet form, the color gray is almost like a black hole for sound. Really. You have probably noticed this by simply walking in the room and not hearing ANYTHING! Feel free to play as loud as you feel like... no troubles.

Kevin.
;)
 
outlawtorn86 said:
lmao ok ok im not like opposing what he says, i was just wonderin about the bass frequencies. cuz like theoretically, when u have ur amp on the floor, the vibrations go straight from the amp to the floor, when u have it elevated, it would go through the amp holdre to the floor, which should make some difference no?
"some difference"? yes ... a noticeable difference? No.

As I mentioned, the wavelength of bass frequencies is measured in feet - so moving a few inches off the floor is not going to do a whole lot in comparison to the soundwaves produced by a bass amp....
 
My studio uses carpeting too. Also packing foam and those cardboard egg do-hickeys. That's all you need. Maybe some pillows to put in the windows too. It's just ike professional sound isolation, you're on your way to the big time . . . . Ever think about asking your dad to invest in a book on acoustics?
 
outlawtorn86 said:
cuz like theoretically, when u have ur amp on the floor, the vibrations go straight from the amp to the floor, when u have it elevated, it would go through the amp holdre to the floor, which should make some difference no?

Dood... like when you have the amp on the floor... that's like called kinetic coupling... and when you have like the amp in the air, while the cabinet isn't like kinetically coupled to the floor, like low frequency waves tend to couple to like the shell... which like in this case would be like your room dude.

So like while you don't have like the total kinetic coupling of the speaker cabinet to the structure... those gnarly bass waves will indeed try to attach themselves to like mass, which like in this case would be like your floor, and your walls and the ceiling... so dude, what you can like do... is to like get some neoprene and like spread it out on the floor... and then like build a room inside your room, with like an air gap all the way around.

Then those like bass waves will couple with the mass of like the 'inner shell'... and won't like wanna jump across the air gap 'cause it's like too much effort for like those lazy wave forms to deal with. But dude... because like the floor is like on the Neoprene, you really should bulk up on it's like mass... so you like want to skin the bottom of the floor with like 3/4" Baltic Birch plywood and like silicone caulk the seams... and then like sand fill it... and then like put a floor on top of the sand... but you like better check with like a structural engineer dude before you like do that or you may end up making like an unexpected visit to like the neighbor below you... or maybe even like the neighbors like below them... which would be like a total drag dude.

If you like got this far... you should like plan on building like bays of unequal volume into like every section of the walls, floor and ceiling so like you don't get like a sympathic resonance thing happenin' ... oh, yeah, and like proper wall construction would be like 2 sheets of 5/8" dry wall with all the seams silicone caulked on the outside of like the walls you're building... with all the seams intersecting at 90' angles... and two more layers of 5/8" drywall on the inside... and you like really want to have neoprene under and over like the walls so each wall is like isolated from like the ceiling and like the floor... and you like really want some like more silicon caulk on the neoprene to like keep it air tight.

And if you're like rich enough to like build this shit in like an apartment then like you'll be like rich enough to have like an air conditioner thing like put on the roof and like ducted into like your space... and like you should like hire someone to like tell you more about HVAC stuff and how to do like the doors and the lights and stuff 'cause dude... I'm like done typing... OK?
 
Damn...

...nearly spewed coffee all over the desk when I read that!!!

:D :D
 
whats with all the "like yeah" and "dudes" u clowning me or somethin? im askin for advice....

and naw im not planning on doin all that in a bedroom, ill jsut wait till i have a seperate studio room
 
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