uploaded entire demo cd, got 2 more days to finish final mix

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hi there,
a week ago a punkband came over to record 10 songs,
last saturday we recorded the backing vocals and vox for the last song.

it are all short songs of about 1.30 minute long,
the mp3 i uploaded is 16.21 minutes long,
192 kps , 23 MB


http://belgianunderground.com/download/osa.html


its just the mixdown from cubase, with fx on each track,
but only a limiter on the main outputs,
didn't put any eq or compression changes on the main outputs.

i got two more days and i got to burn this cd and hand it out to the band,
its ONLY A DEMO, so i don't expect anything like slipknot...

first thing i'd like to ask:
the kick and snare, do you think they are way too loud?
the song needs some power so i think it might be just ok,

there is 1 drummer, 1 bassist, 1 guitarist, 1 singer, and some backin vox
everyone was standing in my BEDROOM, a square lill room..
exept the guitar amp was in the hallway and i had allmost NO bleed in the drummics or vice versa



drums: pearl export series
sennheiser e602 on kick
beyer m201 on snare
sm57's on small toms
sennheiser md421 on floortom
oktava mk012 on overheads

dbx 166xl on kick and snare
dbx 166a on floortom
samson scom on small tomms
tc electronic triple c on overheads

bassguitar recorded trough joemeek vc8 fathead
guitar played trough marshall (think jcm2000) and hiwatt 4x12" cabinet
1 sm57 on the hiwatt and the direct out of the marshall went trough
a tech21 sansamp psa-1
i could pan the guitars a bit more left-right cause i recorded it with an sm57 on a hiwat cabinet
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i could pan the guitars a bit more left and right, maybe i should,
but prefer to keep the sm57 louder than the sansamp since the sansamp doesn't sound that super, i mean, didn't have time to tweak that signal at all, the guitarist didn't even want me to record trough that, but i secretly did, we don't have ANY overdubs for guitar, just one take per song

the band thinks the bassguitar is a bit loud, what do you guys think...
you can definately hear it,
they like the drumsound, its powerful enough for them, maybe not enough cymbals, but thats cause sometimes the hihat is played so damn loud, and i don't like that

i hope the volume of the vocals is kinda the same in all songs,
had lots of sibilance problems with this singer and had only ONE mic available

akg c414 trough the joemeek vc8 fathead

i had to put a heavy de-esser on the recorded vox,
AND the band wanted kinda clear and fresh vox... what u think,
bright or clear enough?

i think all the backing vox are a bit loud, but its the first time i recorded backings so was a bit unsure how to do it,
i put all 4 bandmembers in a cirkel around the C414 , recorded in OMNI,
trough the joemeek.


what kinda quick changes should i make concerning volume of instruments?
then what EQ stuff would you suggest? maybe just a bit more brightness and a little cut in the low mids on the ENTIRE mix here?

they wanted to sound like they sound live, didn't want anything fancy,
the guitars might sound a bit harsh, maybe not nice, but they kinda wanted this sound...didn't change much EQ on it..;just a bit

u guys can download the cd, its for promotional purposes only,
to send to clubs so they can get more live gigs...

ANY comments appreciated !

regards,
earworm
 
I like it.
It totally reminds me of the production on NOFX's first album
"Maximum Rock and Roll"

Or its sorta reminicent of an old Minor Threat album.

As far as mix comments?

The overheards could stand to be dipped at 2k just a bit.

And the guitars could use a bump at 200-250 or so.

It might be a good idea also to bus all the vocals into an aux and compress them so that when the multi singer stuff comes in it isnt louder than the verses.
 
thans already for that !
i burned a cd with these original mixes,
and some quick "pre master" things i did, to make the overal sound more bright and stuff

i ran all the vocals trough the same compressors and stuff,
but backings have go trough a different group

will try and see what it does if they all go trough the same limiter or comp./

going to a big studio now, with REAL accoustic treatment,
see how it sounds there, gonna write down lots of notes,
and at home i"'ll try to tweak it a bit with an eye on what i heard in the real studios

glad you didn't say its total crap :)
 
Nice...it doesn't sound exactly like it, but it does remind me a little of the S.O.D. days (M.O.D.) also. It may be a generation thing (SOD and MOD were comprised of mostly Anthrax members...brings back good memories).

I'll be interested in hearing the master when complete.
 
where is the overhead?? I hear a bit hissing,,, I guess that are the crashes...?

Maybe bring the vocals a bit more into the front... eq boost around 4k's,,,
 
so i went over to the big ass studio,
took a few listens and noticed i got allmost no bottom end in this mix,
when we pressed the 75hz lowcut there was allmost no change,
it all sounded a bit better when boosting 85hz and 100 a bit,

i think the hint to push the 250's in the guitars is a good idea,
the vocals sound thin in some songs, lets say in all songs,

i got big bass-problems in my bedroom, here there's bass, and i thought the mix lacked high end...but in the studio there was enough hi, not enough low..

i'm gonna try to take the kick a bit down, give the guitars a bit more low...and hi-mid
the vocals were difficult to sit in the mix, i got big sibilance issues, so boosting at 4k doesn't always sound good here

i do hear some overheads, u think i should 'throw the crashes and ride in your face' ? i'm not a big cymbal fan in fast music...but thats me i guess..

the master isn't gonna sound ALOT different from this, since i'm NO way a mastering engineer :) , i'm a bedroomer like i said

now to keep it simple for you guys,

1) in general, what are the thoughts of the "overal" low frequency sound?
2) and the hi-mids
3) gonna try to pan the guitars more left and right, now they're just mono-ish

i have to tweak this mix in a small, square accoustically untreated room,
i've noticed that i can't "follow my ears" for 100% in here, theres quite some guessing involved, eventough i monitor trough Event TR8's..


i know its not a commercial recording, in a way i feel disapointed cause i thought it sounded better than this, you guys should come over to my place and give it a listen HERE, hehehe, you'll like :p

got a few more hours work on this demo,
and then a few months on trying to figure out how i can start treating this room so it doesn't act as a BASSCHAMBER anymore
(since i'm absolutely broke that'll take some time...) :o
 
Sounds pretty good to me. I'm sure there are things that could be better, but I don't know enough to help there, so I'll just say from a listener standpoint, pretty good. Guitars are the dominant instrument, if that's what you are going for. I like that myself. Drums sound like others I've heard in this particular music. Maybe panning the guitars a bit will open up some space for the vocals. They are a bit quieter than some other songs like this, but don't sound too bad. And note, I am on a pc with a decent 5.1 sound system, but it's not a home stereo, so take it for that.

Anyway, sounds good to me, but take my listen for what it's worth, about 25cents.
Ed
 
thanks alot dogman,
yeah, i know the vocals are a bit weak, but my in my very fist mix they were too loud, and the vocalist ORDERED me to turn them down...

this evening two guys of the band are coming over , to talk a bit about the final changes, probably gonna hide some of the backing vocals more on the background,
definately gonna see if panning the guitars more "extreme" will help to open up a little more space for the vocals
 
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