TWO TRACK ANALOGUE MIX-DOWN MACHINE RECOMMENDATIONS sought ....

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As the title says, I'm looking for recommendations as to what would be a decent reel-to-reel machine for stereo mixdowns? My max. budget is .... erm? This is the most important stage of the recording chain right? The final stereo mixdown? I was gonna put a figure but, regardless of my limited budget, I would be interested to hear ALL analogue recommendations (ie: from 'get by' budget through to pro high end machines). THANKS IN ADVANCE!
 
A Tascam BR-20, Otari 5050...or really, most anything decent that runs at 15 ips and can do 1/4" 1/2-track 2-track, or even 1/4 track 2-track.

That said....and I don't say this to criticize negatively....you really need to consider the entire recording chain.
IOW....doing multi-track recording to a cassette porta-studio will not be significantly improved by a 2-track Studer mixdown deck, nor would it be hurt by some pro-sumer grade 2-track.

I'm going back to some of your initial posts, and you stated you wanted to get pro quality recordings on par with commercial stuff, if I recall....so I think you need to maybe adjust your sights (at least for the time being) or reevaluate your equipment hunt.
I would rather go for a "balanced quality" rig, from start to finish, than worry about any one single piece in the chain more than the rest. Also, you're kinda "flailing wildly" from thread to thread....and with each new thread and new recommendations, you seem to change course and are looking to buy something new.

Slow down, take a breath and really think about your goals, your time and effort and your budget....before buying any more gear or deciding on any one course of action. I would just hate to see you get frustrated and/or lost in all of this because you rush into things.
 
Hey. Don't worry about all that "balanced quality" stuff. You're working with a 388 right. Do a little research.Asking here is also the right thing to do. You'll get some recommendations. I myself don't mix down to a reel to reel...yet. I mix down to a Tascam CDR700 CD burner. I will,in the future get a 2 tr to mix down to,but I'm in no rush. Keep asking questions,you're excited and need knowledge. That's what these forums are for.
 
Hey. Don't worry about all that "balanced quality" stuff.

Why do you say that?

Signal chain is is everything with gear. Adding one high-end piece to a bunch of junk never does anything, nor the other way around either....one crappy piece can ruin the whole signal chain.
If you are going to assemble a recording rig, it's about the combination, rather than just randomly picking up odd pieces and connecting them.
 
Here’s where you need to know the real difference between “Pro” and “Semi-pro.” Most important thing to know is the difference is NOT necessarily sound quality. The difference is in line levels, +4 dB vs -10 dB, and in whether the build quality is aimed at the home/project studio or professional studios that put more daily wear and tear on their machines. You don’t need an expensive deck with all the bells and whistles to have fully professional results. ¼” half-track @ 15 ips is standard. There are a few ½” half-tracks out there, but that will narrow your mastering options down to few or none. Most mastering houses won’t support ½” half-track these days.

There are many good options. There isn’t a huge difference in sound from the least expensive to the most expensive, so most important these days is to get the machine that’s in the best condition. The biggest difference is the features offered on a given machine. Here are a few ideas from what I’ve owned or used at some time in my recording past.

Tascam 22-2 - low cost, great sound, very basic with no bells and whistles. 7-inch reels max, which gives you about 22 minutes of record time per 1800 ft reel @ 15 ips speed. I have two of these machines and have always had great results. The 22-2 was first introduced as a budget deck, but is underrated. RCA in/outs only. -10 dB line level. Tascam still has new heads for this machine and they are the least expensive of any ¼” half-track heads. The availability of new and used parts makes this a great candidate for restoration to “Like-new.”

Tascam 32 - probably the most prolific half-track machine in the world. Great sound, more features, takes 10-inch reels if you need them. Dependable machine with a virtually endless supply of parts out there… new and used, for maintenance. The heads are still available new for this one too. I still have a 32 as well.

Otari MX5050 - probably the second most prolific half-track in the world. A very solid, dependable machine with plenty of bells and whistles. Great machine, but new parts availability is not as good.

Revox B77 – Great machine, but the model designations make it difficult for the novice to find the right one… and in good condition they’re a lot pricier than any of the above models. Funny as it may seem, even though this is basically a Studer product the specs on paper aren’t much different than the Tascam 22-2. In use every deck has its own character, but again its not a matter of better or worse, just different.

Ampex ATR-102 - Arguably one of the best machines ever, but it will cost you. I would take this over any Studer. It’s been many years since I used one in a commercial studio, but my memories are all good. However, when it comes down to it I don’t think the cost would ever be worth replacing my Tascam 32 with one of these… unless I just wanted to impress my friends and clients.

With the 388 you can use a mixdown deck with either balanced XLR or unbalanced RCA inputs, so your options are many. The Tascam 42B and BR-20 have both balanced and unbalanced ins/outs, so are most versatile in that regard. They also have all the bells and whistles, and great sound.
 
BRILLIANT recommendations and advice here. Thanks SO much!

PS: This site has been a vital resource for me! I now have a far, FAR better idea of what I hope to achieve (and it's all down to you good people!) Looking back over my posts here, yes, I'll admit some of them do seem rather 'enthusiastically naive' as to what I was hoping to achieve (even to me now!) Anyway, the proof is in the pudding as they say and the time has now come for me to bugger off (armed with my newfound knowledge!) and physically begin putting my little home studio together! Although my budget for this has been meagre, mixdown machine outstanding, I now feel I have sourced enough requisite 'bits'n'bobs' to at least be able to begin music recording. (NB: The main central hub/brain of my operation (and most expensive!) now being my newly acquired TASCAM 388 1/4" reel recorder and NOT the aforementioned 688 cassette portastudio of my earlier posts.) So ... apologies for any perceived 'wild flailings' or whatever in my quest here. I'm sure there'll be plenty more questions from me in time (no doubt naively 'stupid' ones at times too!) but, hey ho, you've gotta start somewhere and that's how you learn. Anyway, thanks for all the input, sharing of ideas, advice & acquired knowledge! I'm off to the woodshed to build me a studio (He! He! Might even call it 'The Woodshed' now I come to think of it. Yeah, 'Woodshed Studio' - cool!) Wish me luck and I'll check back in with a progress report in the new year (and hopefully some home-baked tunes 'cause let us not forget: Ultimately it's about the final result ie: THE MUSIC not the gear. OK, have a great festive season folks and here's wishing you a very happy, creative & musical 2014. Again, thanks SO much for all your help here folks!!
 
The 388 rolls off pretty steeply after about 15 KHZ-one of the reasons why they are so popular? The Tascam 42 was another quarter inch half track.The "B" version had balanced I/O.One step up from the 32.
 
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