Two conflicting articles

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I was reading something on homerecordingconnection.com. One of their articles was showing how to mic an amp and it said that sound comes from the outer area on the speaker which makes sense (cone?) and does not come from the center of the speaker. A different article says to place the mic directly in the center because the sound comes from the dome directly in the center of the speaker. Which is correct?

Ok i cant find both articles anymore. Maybe they weren't on the same site. But i know i read this.
 
good phrase should settle this: "what sounds best, is best"
 
Both and neither. Move the mic around until you get the sound you are looking for. Aside from the two truths that 1) speakers make sound and 2) microphones pick up sound, you are going to hear exactly opposite opinions on just about everything.
 
Gotcha.

I have my studio gear comming this weekend. I plan on spending a lot of time moving mics around and finding the position i like best. I can't wait.
 
wang191 said:
I was reading something on homerecordingconnection.com. One of their articles was showing how to mic an amp and it said that sound comes from the outer area on the speaker which makes sense (cone?) and does not come from the center of the speaker. A different article says to place the mic directly in the center because the sound comes from the dome directly in the center of the speaker. Which is correct?

Ok i cant find both articles anymore. Maybe they weren't on the same site. But i know i read this.

Well.........A speaker has a voicecoil that drives the cone. The center has a short throw (called "speaker excursion). The outside of the speaker (the edge) has a longer excursion. So, the center will have much of the treble sound while the edge will have the low end "punch" Play some drum sounds and put your finger in the center and then the edge. You will feel the difference.

So, mic placement will be anywhere between the center and the edge depending on what you are looking for. A good, educated mic choice will be in order once you know where the sound you are looking for is. This is the "ballpark" of getting the right sound.

Good luck.
 
I can hear a difference when i stand in certain areas in front of my amp. And it seemed clear to me that if you go towards the outer area of the speaker it gets bassier. From everything i have learned/observed so far i plan on taking a sm57 somewhere towards the outer area of the speaker and then put my MXL2001 about 1.5 feet back from the speaker and start there.

Obviously phase matching and angles are going to play a big part. It'll be nice to finally do this with nice equipment, rather than just the samons and my 4 track i used to record with.

But yeah, i thought i had understood a decent amount about the speaker and mic placement etc, but reading the two different ideas kind of confused me. Especially since both parts are vibrating they are both making sound. it's just which is producing more of which frequency.
 
acorec said:
Well.........A speaker has a voicecoil that drives the cone. The center has a short throw (called "speaker excursion). The outside of the speaker (the edge) has a longer excursion. So, the center will have much of the treble sound while the edge will have the low end "punch"
It's true that the high frequencies radiate predominantly from the center of the speaker, but the statement above really isn't the right way to describe it.

A guitar speaker has two things working against it with respect to high frequency reproduction - the diameter and mass of the cone. Large diameter cones force the high frequencies to "beam" into a very narrow angle. I won't go into the details, but it has to do with the sound waves from each part of the cone constructively interfering out front, but destructively interfering off to the sides. A massive cone is simply very difficult to move at high frequencies. The way speaker designers try to get around these limitations is by making the cone flexible along its radius in a controlled a manner. This is done by varying the thickness of the paper, or more commonly, adding circular corrugations.

The idea is to make the cone move as one single unit at low frequencies, but only have the center move at higher frequencies. The corrugations and damping properties of the paper attenuate the high frequencies as they travel radially outward from the voicecoil and through the cone material. This effectively lowers the mass and size of the cone at high frequencies, yielding wider and higher frequency response. Of course, the wider dispersion thing doesn't work terribly well, as any audience member who has the misfortune of sitting directly in front of a guitar cabinet knows!

So the center of the speaker actually has a longer excursion, because it's reproducing both the low and the high frequencies.

Thomas

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I was just going to say that. :D :D Almost verbatim. Uh-huh. Took the words right out of my mouth, in fact.
 
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