Tube Dampers...any value?

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...I need Marik or any of the other true "technical gurus" to chime in on this one...Audio purists claim tube "dampers" can improve the sonic characteristics of tube driven audio components...Teflon-coated silicon "o" rings are even recommended to improve a tube's "microphonic" character...do these dampers have a place in tube-based microphones or mic-pres?...fact or fiction?...any input?...
 
I've often wondered. They are suppose to reduce any microphonic tendancies. Then again, if I get a tube that has microphonics, I tend to replace it. The only application I can think it would really be good for is an a Royer mod, where the tube is kind of free floating and susceptible to shock. If you're a true audiophile, you might insist on them.

On a side note, a fairly reputable producer, Eddie King, is giving me back my Royer modded V67's tomorrow. He really didn't like them all that much. Not that they were bad, it's just that he's used to more esoteric mics. I can ask him what he thinks about dampers.
 
kidvybes,

I use 11 pieces of tube audio gear using 129 tubes of 30 types, so I've dealt with microphonic tubes often. My microphone preamp- a Peavey VMP-2, uses 6-12AX7s and 2-12AT7s**.

[**2- Sylvania square getter 12AX7WAs 1958, 2- Sylvania 3-mica 5751s, 2- GE two mica 5751s, 2-Valvo/Hamburg 6201s- no dampers]

The reason for tube dampers is to reduce the "microphonics" of a tube. Tubes are susceptible to mechanical vibration and if the structure vibrates, it may impart a ring or thunk to the sound. I have an Audio Research SP-10 preamp and I've tried tubes in that one (uses 12- 7308s/E188CCs) that were so microphonic that only touching the GAIN control produced a ring on the speakers.

The frame grid tubes like the 6DJ8 family are especially prone to microphonics. Sometimes you'll see tubes with an extra mica space- often military issue, and this is to try and reduce vibration inside. I choose triple mica tubes often.

The damping rings reduce the mechanical vibration and if you're lucky, they can make otherwise unusable tubes acceptable. There is however, a possibility the damping is a sonic penalty rather than enhancement when a tube is damped.

Microphonics only become a problem when they are robbing signal to put into the ringing. This is subtle. If you're brave, try very, very, very lightly tapping the top of a preamp tube. If it's audible in the speakers- try dampers.

Some people believe that tubes sound better when they are a little bit microphonic- these sound more open. In the the 6DJ8 family, the 6DJ8- which is the least regulated- is often preferred over the 6922 or 7308.

I've heard the Herbie's dampers (about $10 for a 12AX7 size one) are the hot models. These are like little clip on rings that have little balls on them that damp the tube.

Wirth microphonics, don't fix it unless it's really broken! Damping a tube that doesn't need it may dampen the sound. In all my gear, I'm only using dampers on six tubes- and these are all the first phono preamp positions.

Cheers,

Bambi B
 
Hey Bambi...thanks for some really interesting and informative input...I'm assuming that your the same "Bambi" I've seen posting on some of the "Tube BB" sites...you are obviously well experienced with tube applications...I've been upgrading tubes in most of my mics with some success...any recommendations for specific brand 6DJ8/6922 NOS tubes for microphone use...and 12AT7/E81CC NOS also for mic application...any input would be greatly appreciated!
 
Bambi has pretty much already covered all aspects. Just to add a couple things.
Yes, the dampers can be quite effective in input stages to lower microphonics. I never encountered sonic improvements or degradation, though. The most microphonic tubes are Nuvistors to the point that sometimes they would pick the signal themself and kinda echoing the signal, or even giving feedback. The damping can greatly reduce this effect.

Re: 6DJ8. Personally, I don't like the sound of this tube and much prefer the 6N1P. I would not recommend using these tubes in microphones, unless special circuit arrangements are made. This tube was specifically designed for cascode use, and also has low input impedance, which is not good in microphones. Tim de Paravicini however, made a very clever circuit using this tube. I kinda suspect what he did. It should sound very good.

Re: 12AT7/E81CC NOS. Use 5 star GE 6072, instead.
 
...I know that the GE 5-star 6072 blackplates are excellent low-noise tubes for microphone application, but I was wondering about the "GE 12AT7WA / 6201 3-MICA BLACKPLATE" tubes...these seem to be more plentiful and less costly than the 6072's which are becoming more scarce...any input as to the use of these tubes in microphone application?...thanks for your remarks in advance...

...or how about 6211 or 5965 GE 5-Star tubes?...Thanks!
 
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