TS and TRS question concerning snakes

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If I have a 4 channel TRS (female) snake, can I take an TS instrument cable (take a cable right from the output jack of the guitar) and plug it into the snake and then into an amp on the other side?
So it would go:
Guitar-> TS cable -> TRS Snake -> TS cable -> Guitar amp in the other room

Will it matter?
I'm thinking that it doesn't matter but just wanted to ask the experts.
 
Similar question... What about patchbays. As long as the patch bay is TRS then everything should be cool right? But that means all of the patch cables have to be trs too. Isn't that going to be really expensive.
For example, I just drew out all of the equipment that I would want to put into the patch bay. Its a total of 116 connections and that means I need 116 cables for all of the equipment and then 58 patch cables for the bay. Am I missing something?
Do you guys really buy all of that cable!!!?

Any information would be appreciated.
 
ahhh... never mind.. just opened up to page 101 in my home recording for dummies book and see that I need to get a normalled patch bay... however my question about the trs and ts still stands.
 
In the guitar cable example it will work but you usually don't run an unbalanced TS signal more than 10-20 ft or they start to lose gain and tone and get noisy.
 
Yup. The long high-capacitance snake cable will eat all the highs from your nice high-Z pickups, and you'll get a very bassy, muddy, and dull tone. The higher the impedance of the pickups, the worse it'll be: going through a snake with the raw pickup output is the best way to turn a Telecaster into a noisy Gibson EBO bass with nylon tape wound strings that you'll ever see... (;-)

Note for EBO lovers: that was a joke!

Seriously, though: high-impedance single-ended stuff like guitars and basses need to have the minimum possible run of low-capacitance cable to their preamps. Once the pickup signal hits a gain stage that has some drive capability, _then_ you can run it through the snake with little trouble: but even so, you'll probably never be able to recreate the exact tone you'd get with the amp right there and a minimum-length cable.

Note that that gain stage doesn't necessarily have to be a super high-zoot preamp: if one of your stomp boxes buffers the signal even in bypass, then *it* can be used to reduce the effects of the long run. Best of all is to get a good preamp with a balanced output, though, and then you dodge the entire HF-loss, noise-injection problem. But one size does not fit all: you'll need to try it and see, to find out if any of your pedals can act as a line driver for the long run. Your ears will tell the tale, muy pronto.
 
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