Totally Weird....

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Why is it when I export a four track Cakewalk creation to a wavefile, the balance of the mix changes. Someone please venture to offer an explanation, or steer me to a source for a possible answer. This is driving me nutz! Thanks in advance and to all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year !! :)
 
When you export (mixdown) do you have all the mix properties selected?? i.e. mix automation??

cheers
john
 
John Sayers said:
When you export (mixdown) do you have all the mix properties selected?? i.e. mix automation??

cheers
john

Hey there John!!! Naively, I simply was not mixing down the tracks into 2 stereo channels. When I finally DID mixdown correctly and exported, the resultant wavefile/CD was "in the zone"... big time! Thanks so much for taking the time to respond.----ROB
 
John Sayers said:
When you export (mixdown) do you have all the mix properties selected?? i.e. mix automation??

cheers
john


Hey John! What exactly are you referring to and where are these functions located: "Mix properties" and " Mix automation??? :O\ Got me bamboozled here. LOL
 
Hi

WHen you go to mix down you sould select bounce to track then blank track. It will ask you what you would like to mix down, make soure you select all or all the boxes are checked. Mute the tracks you don't want in the mix. cut and /or fade the begining and the end of the new track as desired delete the excess and slid to the begining, then mute all other tracks and mixdown/export the song to a wave file.

Hope this helps

F. S.
 
hey F.S.
Does my Cakewalk PRO 8 have these features? It asks me for destination track when I pick "mixdown". And that's it. No other choices. Am I missing the boat here??
 
If I remember correctly in Pro 8 it's

Options/Mixdown/ Mix to track OR Mix to Wave.

The two options are there because you may want to mix down to a track when you've recorded 6 Harm Vox tracks and you want to mix them down to a stereo track to make the mixing easier or you want to cut down the load on the CPU.

cheers
John
 
I don't know on 8.0 but it sounds the same.

Pick blank track if it gives you that option. if not pick the next track in progression. I mix down to a stereo track like this before exporting for a few reasons. 1: I mix it a little lower in signal to the stereo track to give me a chance to do (in this order)1: a final eg if needed. 2: normalize 3: final mix compression if needed 4: if you want normalize again to get peak signal without clipping.

This way I can make sure my mix is at peak signal level before I export to a wave file. also by mixing to a stereo track at less than peak levels I can do a final EQ with out worry of clipping, then normalize. I also edit the begining and end in a stereo track rather than edit 40 tracks seperatly. not to say you don't have to edit the tracks seperately but you can get rid of the dead air when it is in the stereo track, it is a lot quicker.

After you have done these things you can mute all tracks besides the stereo track (actually mute all other tracks before you do anything after mixing down), put the stereo track level to zero ( should already be there), put the master to zero then export the stereo track to a wave file.

Don't mix to the stereo track with too weak of a signal just enough to give you some room for slight EQing of the mixed down track without fear of causing it to clip.

I do not know if 8.0 has a normalize feature but, it finds the highest signal in the song and adjusts the signal of the whole song to where that highest point is just below clipping.


Hope this helps

F.S.
 
HEY DR. FREUD AND MR. SAYERS! Your posts have really inspired me to play around with the audio settings. What I have initially observed is that my entire performance is greatly enhanced by bringing up the high end on the EQ, THEN normalizing the tracks. Sounds realllll sweet as does the cymbals, the "feathery" part of my voice, as well as guitar strings being plucked. F.Y.I...I am in production for a one-man show featuring me and my KURZWEIL k2600X sequencer/workstation and a magnificant Mackie power
mixer which I can amazingly (don't how how the fk I managed this!) use to preamp my mic (monitor/line out output) as well as EQ and special effect my voice (which I subsequently created a 2nd channel for stereo effect) right into my TURTLE BEACH sound card after I laid down the sequenced stuff from my Kurz!!! Ö Sounds dang great with a noise floor that is neglible for the kind of demos I would like to produce. Any thoughts? I really kinda am doing this by "ear" if you will, but the ear is mightier than the software". Thanks once again John and F.S., and a Happy New Year!!!!------ROB
 
Happy new year!!!

sounds like you are having fun. The ear is what it is all about. I find that a high end boost really helps my mixes. I keep trying to learn from that and put more high end into the individual tracks and I am getting it slowly. Some of it is the mics I am using. I think that is my problem. I need better mics. I am set up for live but not for recording.

I like to record flat on the EQ because I know that that is what I need to do. I just lack the quality of mics that produce a great track.

It is only money!!!! Not to say skill and talent have no place but money really helps.

Well I think I'll go get on all fours and sniff an ass or two.

The Dr.

F.S.
 
I like to record flat on the EQ because I know that that is what I need to do. I just lack the quality of mics that produce a great track.

So you are saying a SHURE SM58 vocal mike ain't the way to go for laying down vocal tracks, right?

Well I think I'll go get on all fours and sniff an ass or two.
Ö

That one I won't touch for all the right reasons. Ü
 
RR

well I would say the sm-58 would be hard to use on vocals without dialing in some highs. I have a pretty dark voice though.
truth be known I do not own a 58 I have several EV mics and some 57,s as well as other sure mics and an audio technica. So I am no the all knowing on sm-58s, but I have used them and I find them close to my EV mics. (I like my EV's better for live though:) ).


any normal cardoid mic is going to be blown away by a decent large diaphram condensor mic when it comes to recording vocals.
you just get more detail, and less coloring. It makes for less work on the mixing end.

As for the sniffing, It's a Freud thing. He was out there. Nice to know a lot of modern phsycology was bases on his work ay.

Just my opinion.

F.S.
 
F.S. writes
any normal cardoid mic is going to be blown away by a decent large diaphram condensor mic when it comes to recording vocals.

Speaking about large diaphragm mics, I was looking at an AKG B3000C (I think it is), for vocals. The reviews I have read look very promising. The price is promising too! What would be the most COST EFFECTIVE pre-amp with EQ and FX to plug directly into my sound card that you guys could reccommend? (Unless you guys think the Cakewalk software's EQ'S and FX'S would be more than adequate. I could go pre-amp only) It absoulutely could be only a 1 channel doo-hickie as well. The mic can be had for about 270 bucks and I would hate to buy a whole Mackie mixer just for the purpose of pre-amping, EQ'ing, and FX'ing. Any ideas from the community at large would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. ---ROB
 
Hmmm

I would answer all your questions but I think some are better answered by someone else. As far as the eq and effects I would try what you have first. I Am using cake walk 9.0 pro suite with FX patches 1, 2 and 3. I am pretty happy with the eq and some of the other effects. I am not too please with the chorus/flanger. It souds robotic to me. Any way even if you have to upgrade your programs I think software is a cheaper way to go.

I do hear the studio projects c1 is a great mic for the price.

Later

F/S
 
Umh...
I see this subject develops into microphone things...
I need comment about the diverence between SM-58 & SM-58 Beta. Which is better for what, and off course I need your tips also.
Since I use 'em both in my studio for taking vocals.
I hooked 'em into Phonic MM-1202 mini mixer, then line up to SB Live! line in. Flat Eq, no pre insert.

Thank's lot...
 
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