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you were asking about drum recording.
after a good nights sleep i feel fit now to lay some ideas on you
to try. as well as hotstepper that your already using.
if you get a chance try the following.
1. if you get a chance sometime and a few bucks try and hire
a good seasoned studio drummer. its quite an experience i can tell you to record a seasoned pro studio drummer who nails it time after time. and a real eye opener. these guys are normally "ready to go", and their drums properly tuned.
make sure you give him a rough demo of the song in advance of the session.
in "olden times" this is how often they would record this type of guy.
(one of many different ways). they would put his drums in a nice sounding room.
some even used churches or loading docks. the latter can sound very good
if you find the right one. then they put a couple of crown pzm mics overhead the drums.
and instead of the regular kick drum often used a trigger pedal
to trigger a sampler with all sorts of kik drums to choose from.
and a piezo trigger on the snare which triggers snare samples. the advantage of removing the kik is to cut down leakage of the kik overpowering the other drums.
have him play(record him) to bed tracks in rough youve already laid down as say an audio track mixed down from other tracks. normally you might want to try two passes.
one where he lays down the basic rhythm to the track. ie: snare ,
hi hat, kik. (ideally if at some point you get a multi input sound card like
a delta you could record the drum ohds, and kik and snare plus samples to seperate tracks. but thats for another day.)and the second track where he adds his what i call "fancy bits" ,and tom rolls, and cymbal crashes and so on.
you could in fact and this has been done by many , have him do another track to give the illusion of two drummers, or he might want to add a bit of hand or latin percussion depending what the song calls for.
anyway its quite an experience if you want to give it a go sometime.
2. another way is to as above but the drummer uses a drum brain with pads say,and you record to midi tracks. or you can mix the drum brain audio out plus live drums and record direct to a stereo audio track..
3. another way is to rent a series of super drum machines and build up a drum sample library. which you can use to create audio drum tracks from or rent cd's of drum samples and do the same thing.
there are various on the net including acoustic, latin etc etc.
note that up in the menus there is a paste option to paste "NN" many times.
this is usefull for creating a quick drum track segment.
so one thing you could do is use different audio tracks to build different rhythmic patterns then once they are all correct paste them to one stereo audio track.
one more thing is you can take a drum machine, program all your patterns in and then just connect to line in of pc and record as an audio track.
4. on the midi front you can get very extensive even down to the level of editing midi notes in the event list or in the notation screen. a friend of mine uses a midi keyboard connected to the pc midi in port to bash out rhythms on his kbd, then records midi tracks of drums this way. on the output side he has various midi multitimbral modules and samplers, the latter holding real digitised samples of great drum sounds;
then when happy with the midi drum track, and after tweaking/editing the midi track he then takes the output of the multi timbral midi modules and/or sampler into a mixer with a line out connected to the pc sound input and records as a stereo audio track.
these are but a few ideas to get you started. hope you find them usefull.
ps - often what i do when it comes to recording good synth players often
i dont bother even recording the synth track as midi. i just send the synth output to the sound card audio input and record as a regular audio track.
also note in the menus you can build your own drum styles/patterns built in and muck about with existing ones by editing.
peace, and lots of fun recording.
just ask if you need clarification.
you were asking about drum recording.
after a good nights sleep i feel fit now to lay some ideas on you
to try. as well as hotstepper that your already using.
if you get a chance try the following.
1. if you get a chance sometime and a few bucks try and hire
a good seasoned studio drummer. its quite an experience i can tell you to record a seasoned pro studio drummer who nails it time after time. and a real eye opener. these guys are normally "ready to go", and their drums properly tuned.
make sure you give him a rough demo of the song in advance of the session.
in "olden times" this is how often they would record this type of guy.
(one of many different ways). they would put his drums in a nice sounding room.
some even used churches or loading docks. the latter can sound very good
if you find the right one. then they put a couple of crown pzm mics overhead the drums.
and instead of the regular kick drum often used a trigger pedal
to trigger a sampler with all sorts of kik drums to choose from.
and a piezo trigger on the snare which triggers snare samples. the advantage of removing the kik is to cut down leakage of the kik overpowering the other drums.
have him play(record him) to bed tracks in rough youve already laid down as say an audio track mixed down from other tracks. normally you might want to try two passes.
one where he lays down the basic rhythm to the track. ie: snare ,
hi hat, kik. (ideally if at some point you get a multi input sound card like
a delta you could record the drum ohds, and kik and snare plus samples to seperate tracks. but thats for another day.)and the second track where he adds his what i call "fancy bits" ,and tom rolls, and cymbal crashes and so on.
you could in fact and this has been done by many , have him do another track to give the illusion of two drummers, or he might want to add a bit of hand or latin percussion depending what the song calls for.
anyway its quite an experience if you want to give it a go sometime.
2. another way is to as above but the drummer uses a drum brain with pads say,and you record to midi tracks. or you can mix the drum brain audio out plus live drums and record direct to a stereo audio track..
3. another way is to rent a series of super drum machines and build up a drum sample library. which you can use to create audio drum tracks from or rent cd's of drum samples and do the same thing.
there are various on the net including acoustic, latin etc etc.
note that up in the menus there is a paste option to paste "NN" many times.
this is usefull for creating a quick drum track segment.
so one thing you could do is use different audio tracks to build different rhythmic patterns then once they are all correct paste them to one stereo audio track.
one more thing is you can take a drum machine, program all your patterns in and then just connect to line in of pc and record as an audio track.
4. on the midi front you can get very extensive even down to the level of editing midi notes in the event list or in the notation screen. a friend of mine uses a midi keyboard connected to the pc midi in port to bash out rhythms on his kbd, then records midi tracks of drums this way. on the output side he has various midi multitimbral modules and samplers, the latter holding real digitised samples of great drum sounds;
then when happy with the midi drum track, and after tweaking/editing the midi track he then takes the output of the multi timbral midi modules and/or sampler into a mixer with a line out connected to the pc sound input and records as a stereo audio track.
these are but a few ideas to get you started. hope you find them usefull.
ps - often what i do when it comes to recording good synth players often
i dont bother even recording the synth track as midi. i just send the synth output to the sound card audio input and record as a regular audio track.
also note in the menus you can build your own drum styles/patterns built in and muck about with existing ones by editing.
peace, and lots of fun recording.
just ask if you need clarification.
