The next step for a self taught drummer?

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I have been playing for about 10-15 years and find that I have got to the stage where my beats and especially my rolls all sound fairly similar and if I try anything fancy then I,m not really that sure what I'm doing (my hands and feet kinda have a mind of there own).
I am right handed and all my rolls tend to lead with my right hand and sound the kinda the same.
I live way out in the country and lessons are out - is there a simple book that I could follow to get a few different things happening I could practice and then maybe incorporate in my sounds.
Remember - I can't read rudaments or music. Everything I know came from trail and error!!
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hey! I'm 13 and have been playing for almost 2 years now. I taught myself also. I took piano so I already know the dynamics and notes and crap. If you know what quarter notes are or half notes or eighth notes ect. it shouldn't be that hard. That's half of how I learned. There's probably a website somewhere out there. Or you could buy a more difficult book off some sites. I recently started taking lessons. It helps ALOT! I hope I've givin you some good ideas.
 
Since your self taught, I don't know if you can read drum music or not. The main problem with books, is they by thier nature must present parts in sheet music form.

Single lines (such as snare drum rudiments) can be fairly easy to read - but trying to read kit can be difficult with no reading chops.

I would suggest you look into some videos/DVDs - unfortunately, many videos tend to be well know artist who simply showing off chops (Hey! Look how good I am!) and spend little time teaching.

However, some are not bad. Dave Weckl has some good videos. The Gregg Bissonnete video is decent. If you are into funk/R&B, Zoro has some good videos.
 
The Eric Singer (from Kiss, Alice Cooper, etc) video is basic enough and goes through the rudiments without having to read them (it also helps to hear what they sound like being played)
If you are looking for advanced stuff, Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater) has some good videos.
 
I really don't understand the reasoning trying to be self taught at anything. I play guitar and drums, and yes, while playing on my own I have discovered many new things, some techniques can be learned so much faster just by someone showing you. Why spend hours, weeks or years figuring stuff out that could be taught to you faster. It takes enough time to learn to physically play somethings, that learning HOW it is played should be fast and easy.

Doug
 
Louddog said:
I really don't understand the reasoning trying to be self taught at anything. I play guitar and drums, and yes, while playing on my own I have discovered many new things, some techniques can be learned so much faster just by someone showing you. Why spend hours, weeks or years figuring stuff out that could be taught to you faster. It takes enough time to learn to physically play somethings, that learning HOW it is played should be fast and easy.

Doug

He just said that he can't take lessons?

I never took lessons for set.. I think I'm doing alright. I've also never tasken any lessons for guitar.. I think I'm alright there too.
 
I think Louddog has a valid point that lessons can often help to learn various techniques faster and better than trying to stumble onto things on your own. More importantly, lesson can help to avoid learning bad technique (which can be hard to unlearn).

I am basically self taught on several instruments, and while my chops have always been good enough to get me plenty of gigs and a fair amount of session work, I always have certain limitations. When I take lessons, I am able to find things I can do better, which improves my playing. However, it was sometimes awkward to unlearn bad technique that I had taught myself.

The key is to make sure you know what you want to learn and find the right person. I don't take lessons every week (never have). But if I want to learn a specific thing, I'll find someone who I think can teach me - schedule a lesson. After a period of practise (say a month) I'll go back and see if the teacher wants me to tweak something. There are some people who only gave me 1 or 2 lessons - cause that's all I needed from them.

Having been a gigging musician for almost 40 years, I've known many players. At some point, any player (if they are serious about thier instrument) will seek out people to leran from. No matter how good we think we are (self taught or otherwise), there are always people who can teach us to be better.
The best players I've worked with were people who had some formal learning and a whole lot of self taught (mostly from playing with other people).

Johnrg - you mention that you are too far in the country for lessons. Maybe you can't take lesons every week - but perhaps you could drive into the nearest city once a month for a lesson from someone. Naturally, you can still work with books or videos on your own in addition to a lesson here and there.

I have a drummer that comes to see me maybe twice a year. He shows me what he's been working on and tells me what he is trying to improve. I watch him play and then offer a suggestion here and there (in my case I do it for free, cause he's a young guy with a real love of drums and he bought a couple of sets from me over the years, so I try to help him progress).

I know guys who literally fly into places like LA or New York once a year to take lessons with some name players. Often one hour with the right person can be more help than 100 lessons with the wrong person.

Candidly, if you've been playing for 10-15 years and you feel you've "hit a wall" a book or video may not be enough, some one on one may be better.
 
Ted Reeds "Syncopation for the Modern Drummer". His books are a good read for getting your chops fortified and then some.

Also, and I know this will sound weird:

Any book explaining traditional marching snare techniques will help you do things you could never do before. They utilize a method (which I learned through a year of torture) called "the moller method". I was fortunate enough to study under a guy called Mike Boyd who learned this method from the second best in the world.

In short, you could do rolls without even moving your hands. You just use the gravity and the leverage of your sticks to do the work for you. Very hard to learn right.


Example, Chad Sexton from 311. An ex-drum corp guy like myself.
 
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