The New SECRET Blue Microphone!!!!!

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Sorry, the title was just to get some attention, since I don't get many responses lately. LOL, don't worry, I still do have an important mic question.

Hi. I am using a Fostex MR-8 8 Track Digital Recorder, and am wondering what mics and what mic positioning on my Baldwin Baby Grand piano can give me the warmth and depth and overall musical feeling like in the beginning of the song Clocks by Coldplay. Any Ideas anyone??
 
If I knew I'd gladly help .......sadly I'm a "mic newbie" and I have no clue........I can tell you though that I bet you've pissed off the hardcore mic guys........hell it even made me excited.....and you will get less help than ever for the fake title :( ....just be patient, everyone here is awesome...they'll help in due time.
 
I doubt I got less help because the hardcore mic guys would know that this was completely false. Also, I have tried it before with success. And hey, you replied, thats probably one more than I would've gotten with a different title!
 
I have. I just want to know if anyone knows how they did it specifically in the song Clocks by Coldplay, because to me, it's one of the crispest, clearest, warmest sounding piano melodies I have heard in a long time.
 
MusicMan91 said:
I have. I just want to know if anyone knows how they did it specifically in the song Clocks by Coldplay, because to me, it's one of the crispest, clearest, warmest sounding piano melodies I have heard in a long time.

You may want to try asking your question on the mixiing and technics forums (or whatever their called) maybe someone who surfs them knows. Also do a Google's search. Good luck.
 
I don't play much piano and haven't really focused on the piano sound in the song, but it seems to me that there is nothing fancy about it. It is probably more of the atmosphere in the background that plays very well off the other instruments and really gives everything in the song a more unique quality.
 
I wish I could tell you but Ken Nelson hasn't been returning any of my calls, lately. :D But my guess is that it would have something to do with some combination of great-sounding instruments, quality gear, and solid playing and engineering in a decent studio on a sizeable budget.
 
But I was just wondering if anyone knew the specific gear and specific mic positioning used. Not a combination of great instruments, skill, quality gear, and some dough in a studio. I know all of that already.
 
Just side note to all this. Anytime I ever tried to replicate a "sound", I lose all the feeling for it and can never be as happy as when I just find my own "sound" and play on it. If that makes sense.......
 
Hey I just hit 500. This is 501.....do I get any goodies?
 
If you have a nice piano, and you can play.......I would say get the best stereo pair of mics you can afford, along with a nice stereo preamp, and maybe a good compressor. That should be enough for getting a high quality sound. Some will add an A/D, but that can wait...I think.....never used an exspensive one......so maybe not.......but what I said before...........ya...........I'm gonna stop now.
 
What kind of price would you put on all this gear? I will be having to make some decisions according to priority. I think I will wait on some of the other gear I was thinking about, since piano is something I plan to incorporate in many of my songs-to-come.
 
By The Way, when you get to 100 posts, is that one is able to have his own avatar??? That's a big deal for me, since I do more reading than posting. If only I had a cooler signature name. Chris isn't as exciting and attention-grabbing as I want it to be.

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Nah,
Chris.
 
MusicMan91 said:
By The Way, when you get to 100 posts, is that one is able to have his own avatar??? That's a big deal for me, since I do more reading than posting. If only I had a cooler signature name. Chris isn't as exciting and attention-grabbing as I want it to be.

The "C"Mister

Chriseroonski

The Chrisenator

Nah,
Chris.
I think 250 is the custom avatar.
 
I think the best bet would be to stereo mic the piano....one at the low end and one by the highs.

I don't know if you have EFX sends on your unit, but a nice reverb might be a good way to go also.
 
IMO, If you really want to copy the sound, use the same piano and the same room that it was recorded in, and put the piano in the same exact spot, use the same mic's, engineer, and etc.

Also, here is something Harvey Gerst posted a while back about recording pianos that I've found very helpfull.

"Pianos and Mics - No Simple Solutions

Just as with most acoustic stringed instruments, the bulk of the sound is produced by the sounding board to which the strings are attached. In guitars and violins, it's the top of the instrument; in pianos, it's the sounding board. You don't mic the picks, the bows, or the hammers - they produce very little sound.

There are several considerations when placing mics for piano recording. Foremost, will the instrument be recorded by itself, or with other instruments playing at the same time? Those two situations require different mic techniques. Is it a grand piano or an upright piano? Each requires different mic techniques. Finally, where will the recording take place? That may also require different mic techniques.

If the purpose of the recording is accuracy, and you're micing a solo concert grand piano, then you'll need some good, small diaphragm condenser mics, placed some distance from the piano, usually around 6 to 8 feet away. You can use a x-y setup for cardioids, or a wider spaced ORTF setup with Omni’s or cardioids.

The piano lid is used to direct some of the sound towards the mics. IF the piano is part of a group of instruments, you can get better isolation by micing the underside of the instrument, using a slightly wide spacing with Omni’s or cardioids. Mics placed inside the top of the instrument can also be used, but it's harder to achieve a good balance or isolation since the piano lid will also reflect sounds from the other instruments into the mics.

Large diaphragm mics can also be used, but the response changes as the sound enters from different angles and the larger mics add coloration (which can sometimes add an unexpected richness to the sound).

Upright pianos should be miked from the back of the instrument, but try to avoid having the soundboard too close to a wall. The distance from the wall will create a standing wave which will interfere with the sound. If the piano has to be near a wall, angle the piano so that it doesn't sit parallel to the wall. Be especially attentive to a ringing sound when micing upright pianos.

This ringing is caused by Resonance’s within the piano, and usually can be solved or reduced by moving the mics around till you find a dead area, free of the ringing. Just as with a concert grand, close micing is not advised, but since an upright piano is usually part of a group, it's not possible to mic from a distance and still have isolation.

To sum it up, first choices for recording a piano would be small Omni or cardioid condenser mics, but don't be afraid to try large condensers, ribbons, or dynamic mics (if that's all you have). Mic from a distance if possible. Second choice would be under the piano, and finally, from the top of the piano, but watch out for ringing and reflections from that position."

Don't thank me -- thank Harvey.

Thanks Harvey. :)

PS. Too bad you didn't put "Recording Piano" in your subject title, you probably would have gotten more replies.
 
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Thanks Harvey. I wonder, specifically, what small Omni Condenser mics. I think I can afford two.
 
MusicMan91 said:
Thanks Harvey. I wonder, specifically, what small Omni Condenser mics. I think I can afford two.
Well, if you have $70 you can definitely afford two: the Behringer ECM 8000s. If you want a step up in quality, you can go with the Stapes Audio mics, but I swear I cannot find a dealer on the web for these ones. Does anyone know where we can get them?
 
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