The effect that home recording has on music overall

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Who agrees with this statement: the advent of affordable home recording is improving the artistry of music overall. Who disagrees, and why? I'll weigh in with my feelings when I'm not nearly as tired. Night y'all!
 
I suppose you could argue two extremes, that is improveing artistry and also diluting it. I truly believe it has improved my writing and performing by allowing my to craft a song much like an artist paints a picture; add a part to a song when the insperation is upon you anytime of the day or night, stand back and look at it and decide if it works or not and so on. Sometimes you discover that the brilliant idea for that six part guitar harmony lead blows a dead goat when you listen back to it in the cold light of day.
On the other hand it also allows hacks to clog up the system with a glut of tripe, a vehical for those with no talant and nothing to say.
 
I can only speak for myself, but for 35 years I've always had a way to 'home' record what I wrote. It's just that the equipment is so much better now.
 
well ill be blunt...i usually am. :)

when someone here posts a new song in the mp3 forum everyone pretty much says "great job", "loved the bass line", etc... when what people are really thinking is "this sucks...". There was that one guy who posted the Alice in Chains cover and everyone tore him to freakin shreds though.. hehe..

the truth is that most home recording do suck. 90% of them. but there is that 10% that can compete with anything the pros can put out.
 
WEBCYAN said:

the truth is that most home recording do suck. 90% of them. but there is that 10% that can compete with anything the pros can put out.
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My point exactly.
 
WEBCYAN said:
the truth is that most home recording do suck. 90% of them. but there is that 10% that can compete with anything the pros can put out.
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Make that 3%
 
Wow, and I was just kidding.... Looks like I made sort of a point with my "home recording sucks" remark....

:D

Man, I hope im in that 3%... If not, im gonna sell everything off, and start collecting baseball cards...
 
Please somebody point me to more then 20 albums that were done at home using home recording gear done by a home recording engineer that I can say ok it's a pro job.

Spare me the examples of artist who spend $75,000 and more worth of gear and acoustic treatment....no payed Engineer to come to the house to record for them.....etc..etc...

Show me a $10,000 homerecording studio using a Delta1010 and a V67 and a ART pre with egg cartons as acoustic treatment
AND - make sure the artist is not a hip hop - Dance style of artist (as they all use samples off CD's done by pros or use Synth patches done by pro's).
 
Beats me if it's had an effect on the music industry, yet.

I'll tell you this though, I've heard some really good songs, finished song that people have done in a bedroom or basement and their really good.

What I like about this home recording stuff is the talent that sits around at work, then comes home and hawgs dinner down and plant's their butts on the couch is now beginning to record their own songs, or versions of other songs.

There are some great musicians out there who would never be able to share or sell their songs anyother way except at a party or something. I'm not talking about people in bands that play down at the Local Juke Joint or Roadhouse on the weekends.

I think it's such a great thing for musicians to beable to express themselves with their own material by recording it at home.

As for an impact on the industry? Man, it's kinda hard to say with all the stuff they've done to themselves lately.
Paying off What's Her Name? How many Millions to keep her yapper shut?
Spending an incredible amount of $ to prevent CDs from being copied, and on and on.

As far as I go, about the only thing I've copied to disk in the past year has been people who record their own material.
On the other hand, I've probably bought a half dozen CDs in the past several years, and they were old Blues CDs that didn't sell well and were on discount.
So I doubt I've made any impact on the music industry.
 
excuse me for saying this but it applies really well to what everyone's talking about here.

A Perfect Circle.

Billy Howerdel wrote everything but vocals(except on 1 song) for this band. He started writing all the material in 1988 and it all came together in 98. He recorded everything using protools over those years. While he was recording he had no plans to start a band or anything. he was just doing what you and I are doing....and with the exact same equipment.

He had 1 guitar, 1 bass, 1 amp, 1 mic, and protools. period. he did EVERYTHING on the computer. and look at the result. He recorded it all on the road and finished it off in his garage(seriously). It wasn't even a real home studio, just a computer and speakers on a desk. I heard he even had to stop recording whenever planes flew overhead.

so...i think that album alone should give everyone plenty of confidence that an album can have great production even if its a home recording.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong

Wasnt that album co mixed AND co produced with a pro ?
Alan Moulder (smashing pupmkins...U2....Nine inch nails...Depeche Mode...)

Sorry but it doesnt make it into the homerecording list.........
 
My CD purchases kind of reflect those of Badgas, minus the John Hiat stuff I pay full price for.

As it stands, the Home Recording thang will not compete with, nor should it try, the pro studio. It has on an personal level lifted my songwriting potiential and expectations. I have a quasi-studio at my disposal and it is nice to record the simple tunes in a digital domain. It is fun and. perhaps even liberating, to record the "full band and all the trinkets" songs with just me, the computer and motivation. It hasn't changed the industry but, it gives that sorry fuck with briliant shit and no social (much less indusrty skills) a chance in hell that he/she can pul off a demo that sparks a huge and needed interest. but only if the right person is listenting at the right time so, not too much has changed. The game is the same. The tools/equipment have advanced and the deeper pool of talent has gone decidedly unrecognised. The perch are growing sharp teeth. The shark should be concerned about it's future feeding pool but, not any time soon. Institutional standard don't ( and shouldn't) fall easy. However, a new league is definitly in town. It needs no money/fan base so it will be around long enough to trim and prine itself to an effectively democratic level. It is a big and everlasting game.

Fear the perch that just got a new microphone and wrote ten songs on the meaning of life with his jazz companion and a bag of mesculine.

sincerely,
Theron.
 
it was co mixed, but written, recorded, and produced by billy howerdel. I've read in interviews that he did all the recording himself and produced and mixed it all and only brought in alan moulder in the end to listen to the whole thing and give his opinion. He might say that the bass was too low in a spot and then billy would fix that.

mer de noms is a home recording more than anything.
 
I'm new here but I'll put in my $0.02...

I've been involved in several projects over the last 10 years, only one of which recorded in the studio with an engineer...and I use that term loosely. With the advent of hard disk recording, the quality and ease of home recording has sky-rocketed.

Let's face it, most of us have day jobs and do the music thing for our own satisfaction. Unless David Geffen sends me a 6-figure check, I know I won't be bustin' my hump in bars every weekend to make payments on the van I'm living in...if you know what I mean. Home recording is an outlet of creativity, and it allows me to share my music with the rest of the world. The combination of home recording and internet MP3 sharing gives everyone a chance to hear and feel music that they never would of found before...even on the most obscure indy labels.

Ok, so a lot of it "sucks"...hell, you may even think my stuff sucks. But, at least you had a chance to hear it and decide that for yourself without some snot-nosed A&R dork telling you what you should like.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it...
 
WEBCYAN said:
I've read in interviews that he did all the recording himself and produced and mixed it all and only brought in alan moulder in the end to listen to the whole thing and give his opinion. He might say that the bass was too low in a spot and then billy would fix that.
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Don't believe every thing you read.

So he uses the singer from "Tool" and uses a big name producer to help him and he himself is a well known PT operator who has worked with the likes of Gun and Roses and others and you call that a Homerecording......

As you wish
 
the "singer from tool" recorded all vocals into protools at his home. no studio was used.

billy howerdel made mer de noms using equipment you and i have easy access to that is rather inexpensive. The difference is that he simply has natural talent. thats the difference.
 
WEBCYAN said:
the "singer from tool" recorded all vocals into protools.

billy howerdel made mer de noms using equipment you and i have easy access to that is rather inexpensive. .
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When was the last time you saw a inexpensive PT rig ?

But what the hell...you know what?...... you got me in the guts WEBCYAN........ You managed to find 0.0001% of the 3% I was talking about before.

Now just show me the others.....
 
Here's a link to a discussion on the topic at hand from the prorec site. It's a few years old but is still pertinent. (Hope it's not bad form to include this, but it's so close to what we're talking about that I thought it wouldn't be inappropriate.)

http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/files/228BBBF7923853D78625672B00176E47

As far as whether home recording is "improving the artistry of music overall," I'm not sure. If by that you mean "The music now available to listeners is better than ever," probably not. But if by that you mean "More people have the opportunity to create, be heard, and improve," then I would probably agree. More are perhaps doing home recording now because gear is more affordable/available, but it's still about *how* they use what they have, not about the gear itself. I know it's been said before, but I think it's worth restating, if for no other reason than to keep myself humble (if I ever get anything recorded :rolleyes:).
 
Shailat said:

AND - make sure the artist is not a hip hop - Dance style of artist (as they all use samples off CD's done by pros or use Synth patches done by pro's).
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Heh heh, your lucky you made that clarification.

My only argument, would come from Steve Vai first home recorded release, Flex-able.... Its my home recording goal to do now, what he did more than 10 years ago.


Peace,
Dennis
 
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