The $1000 solution for everything audio!

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In 3 1/2 years on this bbs, I have read a lot of questions. Based upon the average answers, I have come to the conclusion that all audio problems can be solved for about $1000.

Here is my list of "cure-alls" I have seen over the years that make up the $1000:

1 - Toobs!!! Yes, you need a toob device for your digital audio dood. Toobs of course will overcome a lot of those pesky technical mumbo jumbo stuff like clock jitter, poor A/D conversions, software rounding errors, and horrible s/n ratios. Just get ANY toob device and you are set for "warm" and "phat" audio!

Cost - No need to get Summit! Any Bellari/ART/Behringer toob device should do. $200

2 - Compression/Limiting!!! If it ain't squashed all the helll, how is it going to stand out in the mix? KILL them dynamics, and alleviate those performance/tone issues by just compressing the hell out of it!

Cost - The RNC solves EVERY dynamic problem. $200

3 - Reverbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb! Everything SHOULD sound like it "sizzles" and should have loads of "depth". This one device will make up for any bad room. Just get one and put everything through it and be done with it. A MUST!!!

Cost - No need for much parameter control. Get a Lexicon MXP 100 for $200

4 - Rodes NT 1!!! This mic sounds just like a Nuemann to everybody (except me...I must be deaf..:(). Enuff said.

Cost - $200

5 - Bass Traps!!! This years entry into the "cure-all" market! Shitty monitors? Bad early reflections? Crappy power amp with no headroom? Sound transference via standard house contruction? It all goes away with Bass Traps I guess.

I have to rethink how everything I have mixed in the last 8 years sounds because I have never had them. My audio must suck now, but at least I am lernin'. Bass Traps everywhere for now on!

Cost - Ethan Whiner design: $40 each. Gonna need 6 at least. $240

That comes out to a grand total of $990 to fix EVERYTHING! Now you got $10 to buy you and your buddy that helped out with his expert knowledge on everything carstereo a meal at McDonalds!

Cheers!

Ed
 
I am just stoked that I have in my attic a studio that is ten times the quality and one/tenth the cost of the home studio of ten years ago.

My overhead right now is zero
 
Sorry sonusman....

...but you'll have to be killed now -- you know too much.

And if you find out the deep dark secret that Behringer really IS high-end gear, all is lost!
(ooops - did I just say that out loud?)
 
Sarcasm?? Come on Sonus. Some (ok most) of us don't have the experience and background you obviously have. That's a compliment, not sarcasm mind you :D . I'm basically starting at rock bottom with a couple of years of barely home recording experience. I'm finally in a situation where I can build a studio and get everything out of the kitchen and bedroom (or risk domestic problems). I have to rely on others with experience in doing this kind of thing since I have none. Just like I rely on your recording primer on one of the other forums (by the way - thanks). I know some of this stuff is snake oil and some is valid. This BBS is not the only place I go to researching my questions. I couldn't tell you how many "favorites" I have listed on my Internet Explorer.

Since the physical studio itself is one of the tools I will use I want it to be as good/accurate as I can afford. I couldn't think of a better starting place. It'll take several years to accumulate the gear I want and the learning experience will never end.

I'm glad I'm not trying to make a studio out of a strip mall store or a small bedroom. I consider myself very lucky there.

The point I would like to make is don't slam the guys who are helping us novices build studios, no matter how small or big. They don't have to help at all but they do.

Nuff said
DD
 
Toobs kill.
 

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You forgot - Diffusor!! must have at least 3 ;);)

cheers
john
 
So do I suck?

sonusman said:
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1 - Toobs!!! Yes, you need a toob device for your digital audio
>>>> I don't have any toobs:(

2 - Compression/Limiting!!! If it ain't squashed all the helll, how Cost - The RNC solves EVERY dynamic problem. $200

>>> I don't have an RNC, bypassed the Supernice mode:(

3 - Reverbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb! Just get one and put everything through it and be done with it. A MUST!!!

>>>> But I only use it on sparingly on a few instruments:(



4 - Rodes NT 1!!!
>>>> I don't have any Rodents:(

5 - Bass Traps!!!

Cost - Ethan Whiner design: $40 each. Gonna need 6 at least. $240

>>>> My own design doesn't count? :(



So does this mean I totally suck ? ;)


Bwahaha haha ha a insert---100%wet large digital plate verb @3sec delay


Sonus your post would have been killer on April fools!!

T
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Gee, Thanks Ed. :rolleyes:

Why is that nearly all of your posts are so damn condecending?
Do you feel like we should all bow down and hail the great sonusman from Portland because we're all a bunch of know-nothing newbs?

Cirticism is one thing, constructive criticism is yet another. Maybe you could concentrate on the latter?
 
toooooobs! must have toooooooobs!
 

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John Sayers said:
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You forgot - Diffusor!! must have at least 3 ;);)

cheers
john
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John, did you mean Defuser? If so, I think the circuit breaker does that eh? ;)

Ed
 
Hey sonusman, I don't know you, but your words arn't worth shit to me. Tell us where to hear your recordings compared to what you think shit is, and maybe you can back it up. But I'll show you 10 ten teenagers, whose favorite recordings will illustrate you don't know what the fuck your talking about. And I think the recordings SUCK! Its subjective, remember. Just because you THINK you know what your talking about, doesnt give it carte blanc credentials. Just as much as 90% of the stuff I read here is full of crap too. BECAUSE MUSIC IS IN THE EAR OF THE BEHOLDER. I mean lets take a look.

I read stuff here all the time that refer to Low Frequency Response of things. But no one can really prove how low though. Isn't that odd. I finally found out why. NO UNIVERSITY IN THE WORLD HAS BEEN ABLE TO EVEN MEASURE RESPONSE BELOW 100 khz. Maybe Ethan can clarify one that for us. I just know that some "opinions" or specifications I've seen are in a range that THEY CAN"T EVEN MEASURE!!!!! Anyone care to give some specs on a Low Frequency Slot Absorber? Or membrane absorber?
Or bass traps. Come on guys, tell me how low can you go?????
You can't.


or how about this one.


I read the latest edition of Alton Everests book. There is an illustration CLEARLY showing diffusers on the back wall of a control room. Now, anyone here care to dispute his credentials? I know a lot of people here refer to his book on a regular basis.


But John Sayers on the other hand says it's bullshit. Hence the joke. Along with a lot of others. They are also equally as qualified. Johns site is also linked here every other day. SO WHAT THE FUCK GIVES??????????

I mean no disrespect John. However, Its time for this crap to come to a head.


Let me summerize. Who's full of shit? Somebody is. Cause if they are both right, then what the fuck is this all about? Schools of thought? Fuck schools of thought.
Thats only a hypotheses. Not Proof. But if ONE is wrong, then there is some SERIOUS BULLSHIT going rampant here, and elsewhere!! And that bullshit causes people who trust "opinions" to make decisions based on that trust, incorrectly. I know if I spent $2000 on diffusers, and its proven they aint worth the MDF they are made from, I"d have to beat the shit outta the liar that sold them to me.

Lots of people trust other people here. I trust. I trust when knightfly suggests to read such and such in Everests book. ...... but wait a minute. How can I trust Everest, if John makes a joke of diffusers in Everests book. If Everest is wrong, and John is right, which part of which school of thought do I trust? Personally, after listening to some recordings I've heard lately that were done in a fucking BEDROOM, and they were done on a 788, I'm convinced that EVERYTHING here is full of shit.

And from what I've read lately, good ole "modes" aren't even fucking relevant in one shool of thought. SO, WhO IN THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO TRUST. YOU?

Your opinions are no different sonusman.

Rick Fitzpatrick:mad: :mad: :mad:
 
you know what , Ed? some of the most useful threads on this BBS have come from you...i wont attack your knowledge, experience , or credability...youve proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt.....hell, at least 1000 of my posts are directing people with links to your threads (finally sharing secrets of mixing, understanding reverb, diagrams of micing a guitar cab, etc)......

however, when you come in with this sarcastic, condescending, know-it-all attitude, it bothers me....it really casts a very negative light on you...i know you probably dont care what i think but i just thought id share my feelings with you......

i know a lot of the "im recording my next CD with a Behringer mixer and a Radio Shack mic and i cant get it to sound like a commercial CD" threads get old.....but you would do yourself more justice to peacefully flame and educate them or merely pass it by.......

MIKE
 
hmmm...

I think he is just angry that when I was 17 years old I spoke my mind about analogue gear and he argued that I was simply a fool. Only to turn around 3 years later and back track to something he argued against years earlier.

Sonusman - "mark my words here friend, analog is a dying format... beyond a shadow of a doubt that analog is going out fast."

go check it out https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5822 and watch as sonusman returns to this thread to flame me because he changed opinions 3 years later.

While discussing with Blue Bear Sound about the virtues of digital and analogue I read a very different opinion. Here is a choice quote. Everyone, enjoy this moment.

Sonusman "I will take a reel based analog machine, ANY reel based one for tracking something like guitars over digital any day of the week. The sound "gels" much better. Hell, I have cassette recordings where I did everything right and overcame the tape hiss to produce guitar sounds that are outstanding."

Cassette? I remember somewhere in that first thread that he mocked the narrow track Fostex E8 that I said sounded better then the "full frequency response" of digital DA88s and other digital formats he was lauding.

How about another quote.

"Digital sucks ass. The 'good' digital is as out of your price range as the supposed 'good' analog is. Given the lower end choices, I will pick most analog any day of the week."

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70373

Eat your words.
 
RICK FITZPATRICK said:
Just as much as 90% of the stuff I read here is full of crap too. BECAUSE MUSIC IS IN THE EAR OF THE BEHOLDER. I mean lets take a look.

I read stuff here all the time that refer to Low Frequency Response of things. But no one can really prove how low though. Isn't that odd. I finally found out why. NO UNIVERSITY IN THE WORLD HAS BEEN ABLE TO EVEN MEASURE RESPONSE BELOW 100 khz. Maybe Ethan can clarify one that for us. I just know that some "opinions" or specifications I've seen are in a range that THEY CAN"T EVEN MEASURE!!!!! Anyone care to give some specs on a Low Frequency Slot Absorber? Or membrane absorber?
Or bass traps. Come on guys, tell me how low can you go?????
You can't.
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Well I believe I can because I've spent over 30 years listening to low frequencies. i don't measure it on some scope or RTA - I listen to it. And if it works, I hear it, if it doesn't , I hear that too. So I measure it with my ears.


or how about this one.


I read the latest edition of Alton Everests book. There is an illustration CLEARLY showing diffusers on the back wall of a control room. Now, anyone here care to dispute his credentials? I know a lot of people here refer to his book on a regular basis.


But John Sayers on the other hand says it's bullshit. Hence the joke. Along with a lot of others. They are also equally as qualified. Johns site is also linked here every other day. SO WHAT THE FUCK GIVES??????????

I mean no disrespect John. However, Its time for this crap to come to a head.
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So tell me where I've said it's bullshit - I have said I don't like diffusors in short rooms, under 18 ft and I've explained why - the reflections are too short - read it at SAE which I wrote in 1997 before all these internet acoustics arguments were going on. It was based on my own experiences listening - that's my measurement system.


Let me summerize. Who's full of shit? Somebody is. Cause if they are both right, then what the fuck is this all about? Schools of thought? Fuck schools of thought.
Thats only a hypotheses. Not Proof. But if ONE is wrong, then there is some SERIOUS BULLSHIT going rampant here, and elsewhere!! And that bullshit causes people who trust "opinions" to make decisions based on that trust, incorrectly. I know if I spent $2000 on diffusers, and its proven they aint worth the MDF they are made from, I"d have to beat the shit outta the liar that sold them to me

Lots of people trust other people here. I trust. I trust when knightfly suggests to read such and such in Everests book. ...... but wait a minute. How can I trust Everest, if John makes a joke of diffusers in Everests book. If Everest is wrong, and John is right, which part of which school of thought do I trust? Personally, after listening to some recordings I've heard lately that were done in a fucking BEDROOM, and they were done on a 788, I'm convinced that EVERYTHING here is full of shit.

And from what I've read lately, good ole "modes" aren't even fucking relevant in one shool of thought. SO, WhO IN THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO TRUST. YOU?..
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If you can find a post of mine refering to good or bad modes I'd like to see it - I've stayed out of the mode arguments completely.


Your opinions are no different sonusman.

Rick Fitzpatrick:mad: :mad: :mad:
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firstly I believe ed's post was sarcasm, hence my sarcastic response. You can say ed's and my opinions are shit, fine, but you are only angry at them because you think your opinions are shit....... hence the "SO, WhO IN THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO TRUST. YOU?"

What I post regarding acoustics is based on having tried it. I know my slots work because I've been there when we've added them to the room and heard the effect. I've built heaps of rooms and each one is a new experiment and a new lesson as i find new knowledge...well for me anyway. :)

trust yourself Rick as obi would say.

cheers
john
 
Such a sensitive bunch here! Yes, my post was sarcasm pure and simple. If it had a "in the sly" point to it, it is simply this:

PRESS RECORD AND LISTEN

also

MIX, then REMIX, then REMIX AGAIN

Sorry if some of you took this as a personal slam.

Ed
 
Kristian, I was half right! ;) Analog IS going out fast. Look around.

Ed
 
Hello John. Well, I guess my point didn't get through. John, I don't know you either, and I was NOT accusing YOU of anything. The only point I was trying to make was exactly what you said.. Your opinions are based on experience, which I have none.
Therefore I must trust someone. But WHO. ME? Ha! If I trusted someone with absolutely no experience. I'd be a bigger fool than I am already. But you have to admit, this acoustics thing is absolutely fraught with ambiguity, half truths, misconceptions, half baked ideas, and rampant unproved opinion.
However, I TRUST you fully John, as I've never seen a studio with Alton Everests name on it. I never meant to pit you against anybody. I was only trying to point out to sonusman, that his opinions are valid, but STILL opinion. If they are FACT, then everybody here better pay attention to the almighty sonusman, and buy the same equipment, use the same room, have the same goals, and ears. NOT.

So, please accept my apology if you think this was an affront to you. It was not.

You are my guru. And I trust YOU.

fitz:)
 
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