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I wanted to thank all of the members I spoke with or had correspondence with..via email. You were all very gracious and patient in my efforts to try to respond to your queries. For those I assisted, and to all here, I wish you the best of luck in your new endevor of recording, mixing and producing a viable finished product. I enjoyed my time here and plan on doing it again if asked by the ASA. I am told another acoustician will be on site at the end of Sept.
One of my colleagues out of NYC....I know him well....he will be an asset to you.
One thing that stuck out to me ..during my time here is ....the amount of misinformation or halve truths regarding room acoustics. To that , I will say...to all... you can get a half million dollor
 
As I was saying.....for the price of a library card. All of the information and text at any university is available at any public library.
not to say you have to learn all math principles and disciplines... but the ending theorem is there ... in detail. As I have said to others here...acoustics is not a black science...it is simply math ... all is measured, wether it is the audio spectrum or mapping a space for acoustics....there is no mystery.
With the proper analysis equipment...we can break it down to velocity flow, preasure gradient, frictional dispensation as well as track a particular frequency or groups of frequencies ...I don't want to get to lost in this....as my angry socialist/ anarchist Irishman....friend .......Fritz..... may become unstable.
Just kidding of course......I enjoyed the banter....
He's just upset that he is Irish and I am English......Can't we all get along...?
No bullshit Fritz.......I truly enjoy your thoughts.....It reminded me of an Irishman that walked into a bar... and there were two others fighting.....and said Irishman asked another..........is this a private fight.......or can anyone join in...LMAF....I love it. and will leave it there.
Anyone here that requires further assistance in acoustics....Acoustech will continue to provide consultation as long as you are not a commercial facility.
I will leave all in place in regards to contacting our company....I only ask that you request by e-mail and not by phone. I will respond ASAP.
To my friend Steve, Jeff and Ryan....I wish you all the best.

Best regard to all

Jack Piercy

Acoustech
 
Jack, you've been a tremendous help to me, and I can't thank you enough! I can't wait to get my control room set up to your specs! I wish you all the luck in your endeavors.
 
He's just upset that he is Irish and I am English

Hello Jack, I too enjoyed the banter. In regards to the statement I'm an anarchist, I seem to remember an attempt by the English to succeed at Irish genocide. :mad: Talk about anarchy. As far as I'm concerned, Englishman are arrogant bastards and the Monarchy is a fucking joke. They tried to rule the world but US kicked their ass. Then we had to defend that stinking country from Hitler. Too bad. The only thing left to eliminate is the Bank of England and thier left arm, the Federal Reserve. Then we will see what happens to England. Of course, thier arrogance is doing a pretty good job of it already. :rolleyes: America hasn't woke up to that one yet.

In regards to acousticians, heres one for you. They are the only ones who clap BEFORE a performance. :D

Ok, enough of that. I do want to say thankyou for sharing your enlightenment with the members here. Although, as a layman, I still believe snake oil salesman come in many costumes. Your view of containment and us as freshman was intriging to say the least, yet others I know of are scratching thier head from what they describe as your double talk. You offered no explaination what so ever in regards to current schools of thought vs what you proposed here. Only a retort that we are stuck in acoustics 101. I know the scope of these things is beyond a few simple posts, but surely, since other professionals and companys such as Owens Corning still speak in terms that do not comply with your view, you could enlighten us to why your interpretation of containment is superior to the general view that is blatant on these type of forums.
You also did not care to share with us your valuable insight into the design and construction of a small vocal booth, which is of PRIMARY interest to many who seek information here. I guess my challange was of no interest to you.
So, in view of these questions, I'm am left wondering what it is you really achieved here, although not knowing what others recieved in personal emails,
it is hard to say, but in light of the fact that this information was not shared with the members at large, who is to say. Yes, I understand each room is different but general speaking, it seems we are left with a very vague overview of current thinking and concepts. At least in the form that members can form thier own solutions based on what you describe as 20 years experience and a degree from MIT. At least Eric Desart and others gave clues to the scientific underpinnings of thier solution designs, as well as database use via the internet. Oh well, I guess as you put it, I'm a socialist maybe and prefer truth over doublespeak. I find it highly amusing though, that the so called "science" of acoustics is subject to change on the word of one professionals opinion. At least my copy of a MASTER HANDBOOK of Acoustics will not go to waste. I have many fires to prime in my stove this winter. Funny how trust in science can disentigrate in a matter of minutes. How many of those books must be on the book shelves of recording enthusiasts who still have dillusions of diffusers, still trust that science is steadfast, and have no idea that current studio design dogma is only a matter of who is employed building the "hot" design of the moment. If they only knew.

fitZ :rolleyes:
 
Well I was itching but I thought I'd lay Low.

Guess this was just an experiment to him and all us guys were his guinea pigs.

Oh well. 2nd I had to agree with fitz's rants over the past 2 weeks against this guy.

I read his thread and was like nice but who wants to decipher this. just give them the basics so they can build a room. if they want world class, they will spend the 15 to 75K it takes to get a world class facility designed.

So as I always say, simplify it.

One thing a true egghead must understand is that you have to INTERPRET your data so a novice can understand it. that is why Big corps with egg heads have marketing Departmnets. to simplify the complex.

This youngin would do well to learn that lesson to relate to the GENERAL public at large. Sure it sounds great to talk in big words and stuff, but when the rubber hits the road the lady driving the car don't car that it has the latest greates CPU controlling everything down to the tension of her gas pedal. All she cares is that it looks good and takes her where she needs to go.

In our case, make it REAL practical for us to build a nice studio for our purposes.

Finally I agree with Fitz again. All this great Advice this guy has doled out. Where is the voluminous amount of information on the site in general. Where is the during build and after build support? He is offering none of that. Those things are important. That is why scientists stay in the lab and marketing guys get to travel the planet at the companies expense. Or why steve, eric and the crew do what they do :)

Even me, I have stuck around to help out with the knowledge I have learned and practical experience I gained from building 4 of these studios (soon to be #5) As a smart woman once said, Dont start what you cant finish. When you walk out of the Lab and from underneath that theory we all put our pants on one leg at a time. :)

Ok I think yall get my point. Mix on and Mix Well. :)
 
Hey Fitz never payed attention to the fact that you are Irish. well I am a mutt. West Indian and Irish. :)

What is funny is the last time I did a show in England (fairmont Hall) it was a good ole irishman who was the owner of the PA and FOH tech. I out mixed his butt and he got mad at me. LOL He got complaints all during his performance, and I got 17 personal compliments at the desk whilst he was standing there. Oh well so much for the superior of the Irish. Need some black in yah.

BTW this is not a racist thread please don't throw that in there PEOPLE!!!!

I am just teasing a fellow brother. I count my irish heritage as important as my West Indian heritage. (Keeps my hair half nappy half straight)

Oh yeah and this was funny to. I mixed a project in PT and he was swearing up and down I did it on an SSL. Now i understand why he hates those desks. never saw the nationality link before today.

I believe he has a Midas board.
 
I've watched alot of threads on studio design. I remember when John Sayers was here often. Back in the 90's I designed a few studios and everyone was different. I am willing to learn from just about anybody, I argue quite abit about it but only as a way to find a viable solution to a problem that someone has solved not by math alone or with analytical tools but by the tried and true scientific method. The root of science is experimentation. Without experimentation you can not validate the math nor the theory. I have like many other Im sure been in a well designed room only to have it sound like absolute dog doo. I've also been in mish mash room that sounded pretty darn good. I understand that designs change because the assumptions prove to be incorrect. Design is what I do.

I find the acoustics 101 pretty funny. Its doesn't really matter to me I guess because I know its both true and false. Hundred of studios built in the 70's are still functioning and cranking out great albums despite the theory of acoustics have moved to a different level. Rooms sounds are very personal just like ears are very personal. I got a vocal booth that I designed, made a bad assumption and botched it. But I had to build it first. According to the math...theory its should sound fine. To most people it does. To me it sucks and now I have to mod it until I like it.

I love looking at Fitz's designs. Works of art they are. I did my last studio on CATIA. 3-D Wiring and all :) I made alot of compromises in my last studio but Im not done tweaking and its a commercial project studio. When I worked at Momentum Recording Studios I got used to having gobs of space, We had diffusers custom designed to open up like a book to reveal traps so we could make the rooms super dead. As an assistant that meant climbing a big ladder to open or close them as needed.

My biggest complaint about home studio design verses commercial facility is there is a lack of documenting what kind of compromises you can make to get a reasonable job done without going broke. Its a give and take issue not many get into.
I know that I can use 2 inch thk nomex honey comb with 7 lb density sandwiched between 2 sheets of .070 thk aluminum and get pretty close to 70 db of attenuation in the low end and over that with 2 inch OC 703 to pull the top off. But its will cost you around $1000 for a 4'X8' section. Oh and it floats on shock isolated ceiling struts and has a seal all the way around because the panel doesn't touch the boundaries. When it floats it disapates ULF stuff outside the human range. ULF in a home causes excitation in some pretty odd places. The design for containment is a great idea and it works. I recommend it for drum rooms and amp rooms. But its a sound "proofing" concept rather than acoustics. Volume verses accuracy.

Just as a hint on vocal booths.... how does your bathroom sound? If you like your bathrooms acoustics for singing and even guitar amps then you have a good starting place for extracting the dimensions.

Im blabbing now so I better stop :)


SoMm
 
..As far as I'm concerned, Englishman are arrogant bastards and the Monarchy is a fucking joke. They tried to rule the world but US kicked their ass. Then we had to defend that stinking country from Hitler. .

The term "pot calling the kettle black" quickly comes to my mind here....

:D :D :eek:
 
The term "pot calling the kettle black" quickly comes to my mind here....

You have a point, and addmittedly, my heritage has its faults. However, commiting genocide is NOT one of them. You and I didn't have to deal with the aristocracy and Monarchy of England during the past centurys. My grandfather did. Had pictures to prove it. Had storys he passed to my dad. I stand firm on what I said, yet appologize for branding a complete nation as bastards, although everytime I've delt with an englishman, arrogance shines like a polished sword. Needless to say, thats why, as a co-performer I had to kick one of the "KINKS" ass at a performance in Sacramento California, 1963. No Englishman comes to my town and publicly badmouths the local bands. Especially when most of them could outplay those morons with one hand tied behind thier back. Plus, on the next leg of the a local tour, at the Cow Palace in San Francisco California, the "KINKS" refused to play because the Beach Boys were placed as the Headline act. We were only the house/tour backup band for singers who had no band. We were to introduce the headlined band on stage, so when we heard they refused to play, as our last song, we played the Kinks hit song, "You really got me Girl", playing the shit out of it for 20 minutes, better than the Kinks could themself. We brought 50,000 fans to thier feet for the whole song! Best revenge I've ever had :D True story.

If anything, by your statement, you probably already understand that my signame, "fitZ", is actually a surname attatched to last names, BY THE BRITISH aristocracy, to distinguish BASTARD sons of english aristocratic rapists. That comes directly from my great grandfather, as he was one.
Need I say more? :rolleyes:
Yet I do owe Jack an apology too, as he does not deserve my tounge. He tried to help, and indeed did by personal email to those who answered his offer. Good luck with your endeavors Jack, and thankyou for your comments.
The banter was all in good fun, although I am serious with some of my comments. Best regards to you also.

fitZ
 
BTW just so we understand each other, my comment was meant more tongue in cheek than anything. Obviously no one was offended by your statements and although I don't know you, I've seen you post and you seem to be a good guy..

I love that story about the Kinks though. I guess you weren't heart broken to hear about Dave Davies stroke ? (Which one did you kick the ass of ?) :D
 
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