Tascam Porta 02 mkii- bouncing tracks and mic quetion (first post)

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Hey Guys-

this is my first post. Been using analog stuff for a while, just recently had to sell my tascam 388 (miss it everyday since).

Anywho, been trying to just mess around with my tascam portastudio 02. I bought two tape decks to use for bouncing, but the belts etc are all shot on them (I acquired a Teac a-420 and Teac f-300), so until I fix those, I can't use em.

Wondering if anyone at all has any experience/suggestions in what mics to use for the Tascam. I have a decent sony mic but it still sounds like shit.

Also, any recommendations for other decks to use for bouncing tracks- or EQ's etc......

Trying to get a good little set-up to record some stuff, but haven't used it in so long, could use some suggestions.

(most likely recording guitar, bass, drums, piano, vocal)

Please let me know, thanks a bunch.
 
Welcome to the forum. :)

You're pretty limited on the Porta02 with regards to inputs and the like, so in order to get all that stuff recorded (guitar, bass, drums, piano, and vocal), it'll take some planning. But that doesn't mean you still can't get a nice sound.

You have no EQ or FX sends on the Porta 02, so that means that if you want something EQed or effected, it needs to be printed to tape. This would be done by running through an outboard EQ or FX box between the mic and Tascam. Alternatively, you could add some EQ or FX (or both) to the mix during a bounce or during the final mix by doing the same thing: inserting the EQ/FX between the Tascam's outputs and the mixdown deck's inputs. Just remember that everything would receive the same effect, and you'd have to use the FX processor's input and output controls to set the mix of the FX.

I don't know what type of mic your Sony is, but you can get Chinese-made condenser mics for so cheap these days, that it really pays to invest in at least one---something like this, which is $50 brand new:

Nady SCM 800 FET Studio Condenser Microphone Black | Musician's Friend

Of course, you can find them even cheaper used. No, it won't sound like a Neumann, but it'll sound pretty decent, and you can use it on just about everything. (You don't want to use it for close-miking kick drums or cranked Marshall amps though.)

Since this is a condenser mic, it requires phantom power. Since the Porta 02 doesn't have built-in PP, you'd need to get an external PP supply (assuming you don't have another mixer that has built-in PP). Something like this would fit the bill:

Nady SMPS-1X Phantom Power Supply Black | Musician's Friend

I actually have the two-channel version of the above PP supply, and it works like a charm.

The other mic I would recommend is the Shure SM 57, which can be used on drums, guitar amps, vocals, and a slew of other things. They're great, all-around dynamic mics. You can find them used on ebay for about $60 or $65.

As for bouncing tracks, it depends on what you're wanting to do. If you're wanting to bounce to a mono track---in other words, fill up tracks 1-3 and bounce them down to track 4---you should be able to do that all within the Porta 02. If you want to bounce to a stereo set of tracks, though---in other words, bounce drums L, drums R, and bass down to two tracks---you will need an external deck. Your best bet here would be to just use your computer, to be honest. Even the crappy soundcard that came with it will probably as good as most cassette decks you'd get your hands on, unless you want to spend big bucks and get a really nice one. A DAT machine would be another option. They've gotten really cheap nowadays, but even so, you'll still probably pay $100 or more for one. Just use your CPU's soundcard and an RCA cable with an RCA to stereo 1/8th adapter, like this:

American Recorder Technologies 1/8" Male Stereo To Two RCA Female Adapter Gold | Musician's Friend

Then use a free recording program like Audacity, and you're good to go. You can fill up all four tracks on your Tascam, bounce down to two tracks in stereo on Audacity, then dump those two back onto the Tascam, leaving two tracks open for more stuff. Audacity would also give you a little bit in the way of EQ and effects to use as well.

Hope this helps. You didn't list any details in the way of your budget or personnel (i.e. are you the only one, or do you have a band, etc.), so I couldn't get super specific.
 
Hey Man- Thanks so much. That was really helpful.

To give you a background, I actually just acquired a Sony HC-20 reel to reel 1/4" tape I have been bouncing tape to, and JUST the other day, acquired a TEAC a-3340s, which seems to work alright......

So long story short, I play in a band but have just been trying to record some solo stuff on tape (I don't currently own a computer, so it's kinda my only option).

What I'm trying to figure out is what the best thing I can do is to get decent quality recordings with the gear I have, which is.

Tascam Portastudio (like mention before)
Sony HC-30 reel to reel (only two inputs, things really old,but works)
Teac a-3340s
External teac dual cassette for bouncing
Teac a-20 Equalizer

One decent shure condenser mic, and two crappy old mics that work but don't sound great.

I have pretty much been recording on the portastudio , bouncing to external and back, then to the sony reel to reel. I also have an old pair of monitor speakers that don't work that great.

I also don't have the best budget right now. So if there is anyway you could help to let me know what you would do. I know I really need to invest in some nice mics. My ultimate plan is to record like this, then eventually bounce masters to a computer and mix them on there.

Please let me know man, you we're a big help. I'll send you some demos asap when I can.

-Greg
 
Also- I will also probably be recording

-guitar
-bass
-drums
hammond organ
-piano
-vocals
 
Also- I will also probably be recording

-guitar
-bass
-drums
hammond organ
-piano
-vocals
 
Well, if the 3340 is in working order, I think you'll definitely enjoy recording to it more than the Portastudio. The only drawbacks are:

1. It requires an external mixer
2. 1/4" tape costs significantly more than cassette tape

Depending on how much stuff you're going to be recording, the bigger drawback is probably #1. If you had a more full-featured Portastudio, you could use that as the mixer, but the Porta 02 is pretty bare bones and will only let you get two channels in or out at a time, so you can't use it as a mixer for the 3340.

If you wanted to record 4 tracks at at time, then you'd ideally want a 4-buss mixer, though there are ways around that. It just usually means having to re-patch for recording and listening, which is kind of a pain. However, if you only have three mics total I'm guessing you probably won't be recording 4 tracks at once (unless you wanted to go direct with the bass or something I guess).

If you only needed to record two tracks at once, then a simple 6-8 channel mixer for around $50 would do, such as one of these:

Soundcraft Notepad 102 Mixer | Musician's Friend

Behringer XENYX 802 Mixer | Musician's Friend

If you can't afford to do that, then the Teac 3340 really can't be used at this point, and you'll have to continue tracking to the Porta and bouncing.

If you're doing this solo, and you're going to be playing all the instruments, then I'm guessing you definitely won't need more than two tracks at once, and that would maybe only be for a stereo recording of something (like drums maybe).

Do you have any effects at all? Reverb? Delay? Even guitar pedals are better than nothing.

If not, you'll probably need to get creative by recording in a bathroom or a garage for some reverb maybe.

If I had to record with literally nothing more than you have mentioned in the previous post, this is what I would do:

First, Buy this book and read it!

Amazon.com: Using Your Portable Studio (9780825614378): Peter McIan: Books

Do this right now! You can get it used through amazon for under $5 including shipping! This book deals with exactly what you're dealing with: getting good sounds by working around gear limitations. It's filled with all kinds of excellent info.

Having said that, this is what I'd do with your gear limitations.

1. Track 1: Record the drums by placing them in a somewhat live setting if possible, such as a large bathroom, garage, or a living room with wood floors. Since you don't have a mic mixer, I'd probably just record the drums mono by placing the Shure condenser a few feet out in front of the kit about chest level (standing). That will help to add a bit of ambiance.

2. Track 2: Record the bass in a carpeted room through an amp (if you have one) turned not too loud using the condenser a foot or so out front with some blankets on the floor in front of the amp. If you don't have a bass amp, just run the bass direct in and record it that way.

3. Track 3: Record the guitar by miking the amp with a dynamic 6 inches from the grill and the condenser several feet back. Do this in a live setting as well, like a large bathroom, garage, etc.

4. Track 4: Record the organ by miking the amp in a similar method as the guitar.

5. 1st Bounce: Pan the tracks as desired and adjust the levels for the first bounce to the Sony R2R. Remember, you don't have an EQ on the portastudio. I couldn't find any info online about the Teac A-20 EQ you listed, but if you can patch it in line between the Porta and the Sony R2R, you can use it to make general EQ adjustments during the bounce to the Sony.

Once you're satisfied with the bounce, bring the stereo mix from the Sony back to tracks 1 and 2 of the Porta. Be sure and fast forward the cassette to a spot after the 4 original tracks. This way you'll still have them as a backup should something go terribly wrong down the line.

6. Track 3: Record the piano in a live environment with the lid open using the condenser mic a foot or two away from the strings and aimed at the general area of activity (i.e., the keys you're playing most often).

7. Track 4: Record the vocal in a fairly live setting if possible. Since you don't have any effects to add, you'll need to add the ambiance the natural way. A master bathroom might work nicely. What I would do is try using two mics: the crappy dynamic close up and the condenser several feet back to help add some ambiance. I know this sounds backward, as condenser mics are almost always used for vocals, but if you don't have any reverb to add, it's going to be loud and proud and dry and somewhat unnatural sounding compared to everything else. If you don't have a pop filter, I'd make one with a coat hanger and some panty hose (you can see how to do this online with a quick search) and use it on the close mic.

Geez ... you know what. I just read up on the manual of the Porta 02, and I just learned that you can't record more than one source to one track. You can record mic A to track 1 and mic B to track 2, for example, but you can't record both mics A and B to track 1, for example. So ... disregard the multiple mic advice for the guitar, organ, and vocal. Just use the condenser on the vocal and try it in as live a room as possible. You should still use a pop filter.
 
Thanks beagle- You are super helpful. I am going to assume recording some stuff tonight after reading you're reply.


Maybe you could help me with This Teac a-234osx Problem. So the thing pretty much works fine now, cleaned it etc it was incredible dusty etc.

Anyways, the only function that doesn't work is RECORD. Every other function works, and even when you hit play & rec at same time to record, everything goes and the mic picks up, but then nothing records, the red record lights don't come on either.

Whatever was on the tape is extremely soft in playback. Almost in-audible. And Like I said, the mics pick up and all but after you try recording something, it just doesn't pick anything up. If you have any knowledge, please let me know, I want to get this thing ready to record asap and its frustrating cause everything else works fine.

Thanks again! You are really super helpful.
 
Sorry I didn't see this. I'm afraid I won't be of much help with that, as I'm still relatively a newbie myself when it comes to R2R's. But there are several knowledgeable people here that should be able to help you for sure.
 
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