TASCAM DP-02CF Portastudio

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Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm soliciting your opinions...

I play a 6 string acoustic guitar and sing, mostly for my own relaxation. My style is somewhere in between the Beatles love songs and James Taylor. Mostly fingerpicked / chord melody.

Because I travel extensively my wife has asked me to record some selections for her, which thus far I have done on my JamMan (one old Shure mic, no mixer, then upload the JamMan to my PC (.wav files) and burn a CD, which she plays on the Bose FM radio at home.

I'm movin' on up...

Bought a couple of Rode mics (NT5 / NT3 for guitar / vocal). Now looking for a mixer / recorder (would prefer not to record directly to the computer).

I'm thinking that the quality (quiet preamps, ease of use, flat response) of the Tascam DP-02CF is probably excellent for my amateurish purposes. In other words, for under $300 I can get a really good result and it's not necessary to go to the next (more $$$) level.

Comments PLEASE!!

Bill
 
The DP02CF...

The Tascam DP02CF is a small and functional unit that's powerful for it's size and easy to use. No moving parts internally. It can function as a standalone Portastudio, and fancier transfer/load/dump functions are handled by USB 2.0 on Win XP, which is pretty seamless in operation. The sound quality from the built-in preamps is good. Versatility is pretty good, overall. My only nitpick with this unit and others like it is it's "A-B-Input" architecture. The A and B inputs are assigned directly to tracks, but there's no mixing of A/B together on the front end, before being assigned to tracks. That becomes a bit of a limitation for moderately advanced users, such as myself. The quick fix to that issue is to put a small mixer in front of the A/B inputs, to mix multiple sources down to (ultimately) one single target track. If your musical style is basic and not that demanding, this shouldn't be an issue. James Taylor/Beatles Love Songs style shouldn't be limited by this factor.

There are no input effects or "mastering" effects on the CF. If you're interested in having built-in effects and CD burning onboard, drop the extra coin for the DP02(std) with the 40Gb HDD. The DP02CF is a bit more stripped, but is a good package that's highly functional. The price difference from the (std) makes the CF very competitive. It blows away the likes of the Fostex MR8mkII.

If I had the DP02CF 30 years ago, I could have practically (dare I say)...
ruled the world!:eek:;)
 

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...so it's not necessary to front-end the DP-02cf with something like a DMP-3 to get a decent result using dynamic or ribbon mics?
 
...so it's not necessary to front-end the DP-02cf with something like a DMP-3 to get a decent result using dynamic or ribbon mics?

The preamps are pretty nice as they are - I recorded some stuff with my RODE NT4 yesterday and it came out really nice - the EQ is nice - as A Reel Person pointed out to me - they are shelving EQ's - so you can go in and choose the frequencies that you want them to affect - pretty versatile, but still limited, because you only have high and low EQ. So you're really going to want to work on room sound quality/mic placement to get the best recording possible.

You may still want to get a preamp for the dynamic and ribbon microphones, but it's not necessary. The closer you get the mic to the source, the less need you have for an external preamp.

It's easily one of my better purchases, as far as recording goes. It accurately captures the sound, is pretty damn hard to peak out the channels, even with phantom powered microphones, and is very basic in it's operation.
 
My tests differ:...

The DP-02cf's internal preamps are neutral sounding, but with a decidedly underpowered top end gain, which is way below the top gain on a typical analog Portastudio (or mixer) of any sort I've tried to date, (and that's a lot). There's no way using the internal pre's you could set a typical mic onto V-high gain and back up from the mic 4 or 5 feet distance (distant or room mic) [for vocals or acoustic guit.], as you could do using any other Portastudio I'm familiar with, or mixer-front-end.

The DP02cf's gain top end using an SM57 on XLR required vocal or ac. guitar distances of 6" or less for decent levels. 12"? Forget it. A Shure BG 5.0 (batt pwrd condenser) tested out at roughly the same amplitude, but with noticeably better sound characteristic than the 57, which sounded boxy and muffled in comparison. An AT Pro 2a Hi-Z dynamic mic with 1/4" plug actually gave more gain than the SM57 and BG 5.0 on XLR inputs.

I tried a TASCAM PE-120 battery powered condenser mic on XLR, an A/T "Bite" XLR dynamic mic, and another unmarked A/T cheapie XLR mic, and the maximum gain of the DP02cf's preamps were woefully inadequate. The PE-120 at least is a high quality recording mic, less so for the "Bite" or other unmarked A/T mic. The crappy gain achieved using these mics would prevent using these on the internal pre's for your typical recording.

If you're into (acoustic guitar) very close mic'ing techniques as a rule, this unit's preamp gain is barely passable with your typical mics (like SM57). (Mic'ing a GUITAR AMP would be do-able). As an adjoinder, I was easily able to lite the "OL" LEDs on the unit by using a guitar or bass plugged in. However, with a mic plugged directly in it was virtually impossible to lite up the "OL" LEDs. Well, not impossible, but it required effort.

A little peeve of mine arose in that the DP-02cf's power supply module puts a noticeable low level hum element onto input signals, most obvious on the Hi-Z 1/4" plugged mics, but also on several of (apparently less well shielded) Lo-Z XLR mics. Fortunately, the SM57 was virtually free of this hum, as was the BG 5.0. Better shielding is what I attribute this to. However, the power module gives a notieceable hum whenever in use, even to external units (like my 244). This problem has me contemplating selling the CF. Undecided as of yet, TBD.

I feel the SM57 is not a mic that sounds good right out of the box & plugged straight into the board, but requires use of EQ inline to get a decent or natural sound to the recorder. I'm accustomed to EQ'ing an SM57 prior to going to the recorder, with which I've typically gotten good results. The DP02cf's lack of front end mixer of any sort is a big drawback of this unit and any other similar unit with plain "A/B" input-to-track architecture.

What I think of the basic utility or need for EQ of the 57 is probably grist for another post, but thru these tests and this description I've decided absolutely that the DP-02cf is best when fronted with a high quality mixer, or at the least an external preamp. This opinion I've held solidly prior to buying the DP02cf, but have borne out worse than expected thru testing.

So far, I've fronted the DP-02cf with a Tascam 244 (mixer section), and there's a night/day difference with the flexibility and high end signal you can get into the DP-02cf. The 244's preamps have high enough gain to back up an SM57 (or other mic) 6' or more to be used as a room mic, and it just howls with high gain,... way more than adequate. The 244's preamp top-end gain seems super-hot as compared to the DP-02cf's preamps, which sound wimpy in comparison. EQ and bussing are features I'm accustomed to using in the recording process too, ala' the classic hi-end analog Portastudio or other mixer/recorder system. I'm old school l like that.

The audible 60Hz hum induced from the DP-02cf's power supply module was only accentuated with the 244's high gain preamps, tho' is barely noticeable on the DP's low gain pre's. I'm thoroughly disappointed with this audible flaw. I think it's a poorly shielded supply module, and not a "defective" unit, per se, worthy of going thru the "exchange" process at MF.

At this time I'll hold onto the CF and try to minimize the audible hum. It's funny that it was not noticeable on the SM-57, probably due to the solid grounding and shielding of the 57. The construction and shielding of the particular mic seemed to make a big difference,... but I have a fairly large selection of low-Z cheapy mics, some of which hummed outta this world. My stash of mics bears out further testing on the DP02cf, as yet TBD.

I'm so far holding onto the DP02cf though by my standards it's given me lackluster results. I'm also against the inherent need of a so-called "Portastudio" to beg the issue of needing a front end mixer, thus making it no longer a one-unit self-contained solution,... the opposite of the definition of "Portastudio".

My 2¢:eek::eek:;)
 
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Another 2¢...

Using the SM57, BG 5.0 and the internal preamps with a high gain instrument such as drums had way more than adequate gain. OL LEDs were easily lit, and input gain had to be reduced. Alternately, I could have moved the mics back a bit.

I tried a tenor sax (inherently loud inst.) and was able to back way off the mic 4-5-6' as necessary, and still lite the OL LEDs on occasion. It just seemed that acoustic guitar and straight vocals showed the weakness in low gain for these preamps. Other louder sources were more manageable to get a decently strong signal. YMMV.

On card space and song management,... the 1Gb CF card included is devided into halves, with one being a "tracking" partition and one being a FAT partition, of 512Mb each. This reduces the tracking time to appx. 60 minutes. I did an all out experimental jam, and I got 6 tracks to appx. 10 minutes each, before the machine flagged "DISK FULL".

The Load/Save operation to/from the 'puter is a little less convenient than I'd have thought originally, tho' admittedly I'm used to true removable media devices such as cassettes or reel tapes.

Filling up the card and having to "dump" the data before continuing gave me an "aw shucks" disappointment factor during all this audio testing, as I'm not a huge fan of manipulating recorders with the 'puter as a necessity. I have the Pocketstudio 5 and DP-02cf, and the 'puter hookup load/dump routine is my least favorite part.

The good news is that CF cards are now made in ridiculously huge capacity, so a 2, 5, 16 or more GB card would greatly expand free recording time on the DP02cf. Something to look forward to, I guess.:eek:;)
 
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1Gb CF

I formatted a new 1 Gb CF card. FAT area formats to 512 Mb & tracking area to 466 Mb, displaying 93 min. free time.:eek::rolleyes:
 
Sorry...

Sorry for being so w-o-r-d-y~!:eek:;)
 
Preamps,...

Maybe my review is much adieu about nothing. Last night I completed a simple demo on the DP02cf with only a mic, guitar and bass. It's fun & easy to use, and has a good, decent sound quality.

I didn't mean to imply the DP02cf's preamps on their own were inadequate. They are adequate, but just not the red hot over-the-top blistering gain I'm used to from other units or mixers. The internal preamps are functional enough, though it would help to have a condenser mic with good high gain. The internal preamps are "quiet", as they say (clean sounding), with moderate gain & no more.

Mic distances of 6"~9" are comfortable for most singing and acoustic guitar tracks to get a decent level, but (depending on style) using 12" or more mic distance could be problematic. (YMMV). Louder instruments and percussion had no problem with gain using the internal preamps.

The 60Hz hum I detected previously during tests from the PSU isn't raising the noise floor perceptibly in the recording, but using a well made mic that rejects RFI is important. A noise like that is annoying, but is not a show stopper. It's not an issue until you start redlining the gain, such as you might do using an external mixer. Anyway, I'll give it a pass for now.

I didn't mean to trash the image of this box, the DP02cf. It's more than adequate, tho' I admit with my previous gear I have a certain standard I look for in a recorder or "Portstudio". This unit fares well in the middle of the pack, but in it's own right is a nice little package that delivers good sound quality and is easy to use. Tho' the basic design of this class of recorders leaves a little to be desired, I like it a lot and I'm keeping it.

This is a good little box that's worth getting. It's perfect for the soloist needing a quick and easy production medium, like an 8-track scratch pad. On it's own it's clean and capable, but in certain cases might benefit from an external preamp or mixer,... optional/not required.

The DP02CF! Get it! I got mine!:eek:;)
 
Is the unit suitable for multi-acoustic-instrument over dubbing. Say one player using mandolin, bass, acoustic guitar and vocal?

-Mike
 
What I don't get is it would take no money for Tascam to stick a couple of Burr-Browns or something in there and then they could crow about the great preamps and sell more units??
 
Yeah, I don't get it about the preamps in these units.

I didn't say they were bad, but just not the full gain that I'm used to, (or would prefer). It's usable, for the most part.

The Tascam DP-02CF and Fostex MR-8HD are such different units. They break out unevenly on features. The DP-02(std) would be a better comparison, but either way,...

The Fostex has the advantage of recording 4-simul, while the Tascam is 2-simul.

The Fostex has 6 discrete channels and 1 "stereo" channel (7/8), while the Tascam has 8 discrete channels with faders.

The Fostex has no EQ (or presets, can't remember), and the Tascam has "knobs".

The Fostex has the 40Gb HD, while the DP-02CF has less solid state memory on CF cards, with the "std" having 40Gb HD onboard.

The Fostex doesn't have a CDR drive, IIRC, and the DP-02(std) does, though the CF does not.

Note that the DP-02CF does not have internal "effects". That's not a problem with the scope of my recording.

There are probably differences I've not covered. I'm partial to the Tascam DP-02CF, being a new owner, but the Fostex's 4-simul recording was always a good selling point with me. Nonetheless, I got the Tascam and I like it. I have some peeves about the DP-02 and all units that fit this design class, but it's alright. Most people are not bothered with things that I consider lacking, but I'm from an old school Portastudio background. You had to be there.:eek:;)
 
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A single set of (L/R) Stereo Line Outs are provided to hook up an external playback monitor, but there are no dedicated "Monitor Outs" provided other than that.:eek:;) Functionally it's the same.
 
...

Alternately, you could use the Effect Send output as a MONO monitor output,... if it really came to that, but the provided Line Outs should suffice.:eek:;)
 
I bought the FOSTEX - and wasn't pleased... could'nt play a loop without pausing at restart. I had 'clicks' during punch in's and outs.

I just got a RMA and ordered the BR-600 (boss) and now I stumled onto the tascam LOOKS COOL - I like the larger screen - only thing - from past experience - tascam makes junk.

But this sure looks like a nice unit. Wondering if I should return the BR-600 for it. I'm not into FX (I have VG99 for that) I wanted a good recorder, with jog/shuttle control of playback/timer. The FOSTEX jog shutter dial didn't... it was used only for menu selection. To try and find a accurate spot in the track was LUCK and ff/rew buttons. (not good).

Can the tascam - loop between A and B points cleanly? Does the jog/shuttle allow for scrubbing throug the tracks audio?

I like the midi out (to sync with DAW - the FOSTEX had that and it worked great, the BOSS doesn't) = (
I do like the virtual tracks per track on the boss - you can record multiple takes per track and then pick the best or take the best bits and pieces out of the 8 takes to make the final track.

I have the MicroBR and it's VERY capibile, though cumbersome - to small - so to many buttons have many functions and menus and controls are buried deep in a nest of menu options.
 
ADored

I completely love my TASCAM DP-02 CF.

Ive done a few mixes on it and find it to be a really simple and useful took for a acoustic artist. But ARP is right. It could have better pre's for acoustic guitar and vocals.

Here recently my friend brought over his BP-80 Bass guitar effect processor pedal. I have tried recording yet with it but im going to run my vocals through this pedal to add compression, reverb, delay, etc. I wonder how it will sound. I will probaly try to even run acoustic guitar through it for compression and reverb.

The BP-80 even has a simple drum machine built it. So, ive been recording those and storing them on my computer for backup. That way i dont have to record the drum machines drums when ever i want to record over them. I just simply import them from my computer and load them into a track. Then record guitar/bass/vocals etc over it. (on sereparte tracks)

I love the bouncing feature! If you run out of tracks, just bounce em! Great feature! =]

I cant seem to figure out exactly what Phantom power does but, im sure it has its uses.
 
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