Tascam 38 or 388?

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Hey. I have been looking to buy a tascam 38, but just recently I found out about the 388. The 388 seems like a cool/compact/cheap analog unit. Can anyone tell me about the performance and sound quality of the machine (preamps/mixer). I can afford the tascam 38, but the 388 is a lot cheaper. Is the 38 worth it?
thanks...
 
Sure!

The 388 is an all-in-one Portastudio-format recorder/mixer package that's second to none in Porta-format units, (MO). The 388's mixer is topnotch, & is technically more on par with the Tascam 500 Series mixers, (M512/M520), which are high end mixers, indeed. The sonic punch you'll get on the 388's 1/4" reel recorder will be marginally less than that of the 1/2" 38, but for great features & all-in-one-ness, you really can't beat the 388, in that particular class of devices.

The 38 is a larger format, with twice the tape width and twice the tape speed, with like 4x the tape cost of the 388, but if you can afford the uplift, then the sonic quality of the 38 is definitely superior to the 388. The 38 also requires a separate mixer, which isn't really an issue, but a consideration. The 38 & separate mixer would be much bulkier and heavier than the 388, but I don't see that as a deal-breaker. It all depends on what level of sonic quality and features you're looking for.

The 38 is "more" all around, with higher fidelity and higher cost, not to mention larger size and weight.

The 388 is the pinnacle of achievement of the true Portastudio-format, in it's own right, although it's somewhat of a smaller scale of e'thing compared to the 38. The cost of 1/4" tape on 7" reels is about 1/4 of the cost of 1/2" tape on 10.5" reels.

Sometimes you want a compact "portable" solution with great features and great sound quality, and that's when you need the 388. Other times you may want the most raw sonic power that you can muster on analog that's still relatively affordable, and that's when you need the 38.

For the record, although the 38 will outperform the 388 sonically to a noticeable degree, the 388 sounds quite good in it's own right. The 388's sound is good, not shabby at all, but the 38 edges it out sonically.

When I just started recording ('82), I hopped very quickly from the 244 cassette Portastudio to the 1/2" 38, ('83). There were many times over the following years that I longed instead to have a 1/4" format recorder, for the sake of cost savings and convenience, but I never regretted having the 1/2" 38 when it came to sound quality. Many years later, I scored my first 388, so now I have both. I absolutely love the 388 for being a truly unique unit, which is literally one of a kind. The 388 is well worth the street price you'll pay, and then some. The entire package, convenience and overall sound quality of the 388 kinda bridges the gap to a 38/mixer "system", but on pure sonics the 1/2" 38 is better.

It's a tough decision. Aw, heck,... get 'em both!
 
toys...

thanks for the advice. I guess Ill just have to pick my brain and figure out which one is more practical right now. The 38 comes with DBX/remote/manual/punch-in pedal...and i could pick it up. And the 38 is only $250 more than the 388 i found. A friend gave me a mackie 1604 mixer (a little beaten up though), but I definately like the idea of a built-in mixer. this is going to be my first analog (machine) purchase...and i cant wait to get my hands on one.
decisions, decisions, decisions...

btw...does the 388 have phantom power?
 
No.

One thing to consider, if budget allows, is that if you get the 38 and 388, plus an M-1B line mixer, you could hook them all together and have a 1/4"~1/2" 8-track super-system. The 388's mixer would support the 38 with the addition of the M-1B for "cue" monitor. This would give you the choice to track to 1/4" or 1/2", depending on the day, while still keeping your equipment to a minimum of very high quality components.

That's what I'd get. Oh, wait,... I already have that.

;)
 
yikes...

yeah, that sounds good. But I cant really afford both right now, cause I still need a good condensor mic. and the more i think about the portability of the 388, the more I like. especially because Im temporarily using a garage as my studio.
hey...does it sound allright if you bounce tracks w/ the 388 (to free up tracks)...or does the 1/4" tape sound thin
 
The 388 will bounce tracks pretty decently. I did an external bounce to a computer, then two tracks (stereo) back to the 388 for one band and it was pretty good. With the DBX on the 388 there wasn't any hiss, and I wouldn't say that the sound was thinner really, just slightly duller because of a little high end loss. But, with some planning and practice, you can get pretty good at bouncing. I never tried bouncing internally with the 388, but I would assume the results would be even better than my external bounce, particuarly if you compressed the tracks that were being bounced and added a little high end, maybe at the same time cutting off a little bit of the low end noise below 80 hz or so.

Another machine to consider in the 1/2" 8 track market is the Tascam TSR-8, which is newer than the Tascam 38. One isn't necessarily better than the other, just different.

-MD
 
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I don't do a lot of the "full collapse" internal bounces any more, so I'd not have a comment on that. What I know is that in track bouncing there's potential for fidelity loss, and you have to be ultra-careful in the mix, as well as maybe boosting a couple key frequencies to compensate for generational loss, as MD said.

When it comes to track bouncing, I'm more likely to opt for bouncing a minor part behind a more major part on the track. Say, f/i, I might bounce a more difficult hand percussion track behind a vocal. I might bounce a 2nd backup vocal onto a track behind a more primary backup vocal. I may bounce a high harmony lead guitar behind a low harmony lead. Those are just examples.

Honestly, I don't do much bouncing, and although I'll do it occasionally, I'll try to produce my recordings without bouncing, when possible. Things just sound better that way. I've done enough experimental recording to come to that conclusion. F/I, one strong vocal track usually sounds better than two weaker vocal tracks in layers. I base my recording practices and philosophy on this idea, and proceed from there. Each track has to be strong enough to stand on it's own, and that makes for a stronger recording, overall.

I used to bounce like crazy in the past, but gave it up for the better, & the aim to make each track as strong as possible. Part of this is being able to hop up to a larger format, when necessary. When my recordings seem like they go beyond a 4-track format, I'll hop up to an 8-track format instead of bouncing. Honestly, I feel right at home on an 8-track, so I'll hardly ever want for more tracks, but if I seriously thought I needed more tracks, I'd look into hopping up to a 16- or 24-track format.

That probably goes beyond the basic scope of the question, but there'ya have it. A former bbs member once mocked me for always saying "YMMV", but it's true. (Your mileage may vary).

/DA
 
sweet...

sounds good. So how safe is it too ship the 388? There is no way for me too pick it up. Is there anything I can tell the guy to ship it safer?
 
It has to be boxed in a double-heavy duty box with plenty of padding,...

on all sides, especially the corners. It wouldn't hurt to add a second layer of protected cardboard inside the box, fashioned to lay directly on top of the mixer board and plexiglass tape cover. The box should be oversized by several inches on each size,... not snugly fitting,... and again,... with ample padding & bubble-wrap... and styrofoam blocking on the sides and corners would help a lot.

The 388 is an oversized 90lb. behemoth, and it should be packaged to withstand a bump or drop. :eek:
 
Pack it till you think there is no way it can get hurt from a 6 foot drop. And then pack it some more.
 
I have had the 388 for years and loved it (brother will have it soon). Compared to any home based digital recorder I've used or heard it simply is on a different level. Factoring in the ease of use, the sound quality and price these days, makes it a great deal. Others here can and have given you solid tech info that I'm simply not knowledgeable enough to give, but believe me you won't go wrong with a 388.

Now, that being said I just bought a TSR-8 1/2 and while the 388 does sound very good, the TSR-8 sounds GREAT. The first thing that comes to mind is "Professional sounding", as opposed to "very good sounding". I set up the TSR-8 and M308 mixer in the same room as my 388 and recorded a simple acoustic guitar track on both machines. There is a pretty big difference in quality. But let's not forget, you only get what you put into it, a great song and performance recorded to the 388 will have you smiling from ear to ear.
 
Well, it sounds like you got the issues you were having with the 308 solved. I believe you will see what a gem a fully functional 308 is...those faders just feel so nice!!!! Enjoy ;)
 
it doesnt get better than this...

so...Ive been frantically searching for a 388 ever since I found out about it. Well I started to kinda lose hope, but then i found an add in a NY craigslist that was for a "broken" 388. I decided I just HAD to check it out. so i did, the guy was really nice and he sold it to me for $120 cause he needed to get rid of it. well...I took it to get repaired/set-up at a tascam service center and the guy freaked. He said he hasnt seen a 388 in this good/clean shape in years. All they think that need to be fixed is the motor. the pads are mint and the machine is beautiful. He couldnt believe I got this machine for $120 and told me he was jealous!!!
anyway...now its in the shop and i cant touch it, but i cant wait till i get my hands on it and finally use the thing. and maybe i can save up some money for a nice mic before it is fixed.
:)
 
so.....i was at this garage sale, and on the floor behind all the knick knacks and crap are several 8 channel snakes for sale . So I ask the lady, hey, you got any electroncis for sale> her husband comes out and asks what I'm lookin for and I say a reel to reel. He looks at me kinda funny and says, well, I gotta TASCAM inside. So I say yeah, I could be interested in a TASCAM.
So, in a corner of his big freakin ENTRY HALL is a MINT 388.
On a stand.
With a fitted cover.
And an original manual,
And a couple reels of unopened Quantegy. :eek:
Seems he had bought it when he owned a digital studio business, and bascially never used it.
Yes I bought it. :D
 
technoplayer said:
Well, it sounds like you got the issues you were having with the 308 solved. I believe you will see what a gem a fully functional 308 is...those faders just feel so nice!!!! Enjoy ;)


Yes, only one meter light works, but got everything else up and going. The "solo" light was the culprit, shorting everything out. I got it up and running but still need the manual BAD! Tascam sent me the wrong one :(
 
Just to join the fun....

I hopped on craigslist here as my last (intended) act on the broadband connection here at the studio. I usually do a search for "reel" and "tascam" keeping an eye peeled for the odd 388 or 1" 16 track. You never know...

Well, I just emailed a guy who listed his 388 today. Right here in my back yard. I don't know what condition its in, but I'm kinda excited about it. I got my 48 about a month ago, but once I get it down its coming here to the studio (along with the mixer) and I'll need something to fill and aching analog void in my otherwise digital home setup. :D

-Chris
 
That's proof positive,...

you've been totally corrupted by analog. :eek: ;) :cool:
 
Just heard back from the guy. He's the original owner and its in mint condition... :D Oh my. I don't think I'll be able to stop myself... :eek: :cool:

Yeah, Dave. You might be right about that... :o :eek: :D

-Chris
 
I want one of these things now. I'm a believer that analog>digital. I'm only 17 but i've seen the light. :p
 
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