sync 002 with analog multi track tape recorder

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I while ago I posted this question and from feedback thought that the MOTU DTP ($1400.00) was possibly the right choice to syncronize my 002 with my FOSTEX G24S 24 track analog deck. I want to run protools and the 24 track similtaneously in sync. I can already dump from the tape to protools without sync. I dump 7 analog tracks with a click for each pass and then drag, or nudge groups of 8 tracks at a time using the click tracks wave forms to align. The transport in the deck is quite good. A song of up to about 8 minutes holds true from start till end. I was quite surprised! I would like to record on both mediums similtaneously, and play back in sync, again, both protools and the tape deck. One being the master and one being the slave. I would like to see the 002 be the master and have the deck chase. Or, should it be the other way around? I understand that striping the tape with sympte time code is required etc. OK, so, has anyone ever used a JL COOPER PPS2 as an MTC/SYMPTE converter. Out of production and hard to find, for about $200.00 I'm hoping this is the right tool to do the job.
 
The PPS2 is a good basic sync box. I still have the original PPS1. I also have the PPS100, which sees more action, but the PPS1 still works fine. The JL Cooper stuff has never let me down.

You will have the analog machine as master and stripe one track with SMPTE. The code from the tape will be translated into MIDI Time Code (MTC) by the PPS2, which Protools will follow.

I’m not really familiar with the Fostex G24, but I know it can act as slave or master with the right equipment. Fostex made some nice sync devices for their line of multitracks, often used for syncing to video… the 4030 Synchronizer and the 4035 control unit that goes with it.

The easiest way though is to just have Protools LE set to sync (put it in chase mode from the transport window by clicking on the clock) so it’s listening for MTC from the PPS2. You’ll be going back and forth between the machines for various functions. If you’re not picky about needing everything neatly controlled from the Protools interface it’s no big deal. The important thing is that they will stay in sync.

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Second hand PPS-2s can be had on Ebay very cheaply.........I actually succesfully bid on one last week at $25US.........now if the seller learns to communicate I might actually get the thing sometime.........he claims to be having email problems but I have my suspicions he's just being a dick because he didn't get more for the unit.

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Interesting topic here, I wanna do something similar with a 1/2" eight track and Reaper. The difference is that I want to fill up 8 tracks on 1/2" then bounce each track to DAW, and sync the DAW back to the deck with a blank reel of tape and six new tracks (eight minus one for timecode stripe and the track next to it so there is no crosstalk). Is this possible with a PPS-2? I have never worked with a sequencer before so its new territory...

What kind of requirement does the host software need in order to slave from the PPS-2?
 
OK thanks for info so far. I am trying to get educated here. I have the FOSTEX 8330 sync card installed in the FOSTEX G24S analog deck. Do I even need an external device or will this sync card do the job?
 
OGLOOGL said:
OK thanks for info so far. I am trying to get educated here. I have the FOSTEX 8330 sync card installed in the FOSTEX G24S analog deck. Do I even need an external device or will this sync card do the job?
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You can do it either way with the right equipment, but it takes less equipment with the tape deck as the master for simple SMPTE or Smart FSK to MTC sync.

I don’t know anything about the Fostex 8030 sync card. Perhaps someone else here is familiar with it.

If there are no other onboard accessory ports on the G24S, my best guess is that its an optional component that allows the deck to sync as slave and respond to MMC (MIDI MACHINE CONTROL). It may be needed to interface with the 4030 Synchronizer, but the cable you would need and how to interface to your 002 I do not know.

Fostex made several cables for the 4030 to control other manufacturer machines, such as the Otari MX5050 and TASCAM MSR series. MMC was more or less standardized, but each manufacturer had its own proprietary multi-pin jacks for interface. Thus Fostex made several different cables for other ATRs and VTRs, as well as their own machines.

What does the jack (or jacks) look like on the 8030?

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Interesting topic here, I wanna do something similar with a 1/2" eight track and Reaper. The difference is that I want to fill up 8 tracks on 1/2" then bounce each track to DAW, and sync the DAW back to the deck with a blank reel of tape and six new tracks (eight minus one for timecode stripe and the track next to it so there is no crosstalk). Is this possible with a PPS-2? I have never worked with a sequencer before so its new territory...

What kind of requirement does the host software need in order to slave from the PPS-2?
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Yeah, you can do that with the PPS2. Most popular DAW software can sync via MTC.

I use a TSR-8 and no guard band is needed, so I have 7 analog tracks to work with. Keep the sync tone at -3 to -7 depending on crosstalk specs of your machine and you may not need to waste a track for guard band.

Transfer as many tracks at a time as your interface allows and be sure to bounce stereo tracks at the same time.

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thanks Beck, what DAW software do you use? I'm running reaper, and I think I may run into a problem trying to do this, as apparently Reaper doesn't yet support this. is this MIDI?

sorry I didn't mean to hijack....
 
I am correct i saying that a Fostex 4030 can send MTC & MMC from (example PC runing Cubase) and send this information to a fostex g16/g24 machine? I thought that this was only possible using a 8330 ???? Bit lost.

Options I think work are

Using a PPS2 to read striped tape and send that info to a pc (example PC runing Cubase) to chase. Can't see how you could do it otherwise.


Any thoughts ?
 
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