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tell me what you think please?

I'm recording with crappy mics and a crappy Crate amp, so bear that in mind, it may not be a crappy mix just crappy recording quality.
 
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I'm going to guess this is a live take so kudos for pulling this off pretty well "live"..... Since it's three piece I would crank the drums and bass up a bit more and give them as much spotlight as the guitar. The vocals are sitting pretty well now but that may need a tweak once you start playing with the bass and drums....Could use some overall oomph in the bottom end on the mix as well.

Good Job....

:D :) :D :)
 
Man, I'm not trying to be a dick, but that aint good bro. Recording quality aside, the performance is pretty rough. Is that drummer even playing the same song? Maybe try this one again from scratch. :o
 
Nah I just laid the drums down first, then put bass over, then two different guitar tracks, then the vocals.

I know what you're saying with the drums, it was my first take and when I'm not playing with music it's kind of hard to know exactly where I'm at. I totally agree, I didnt know if it would be that noticable. It's tough recordin everything on your own!! I'm glad I'm on here getting some input.

I think I'll try a new version from scratch then compare.
 
If you can, lay down a rough keyboard track or a guitar track first. Then drum over that so you know where you're at. Also, use a click track on top of that (I mic my metronome for 10 minutes on the first track and then track everything after with a "click" track).
Once you have a rough track of guitars and click, drum over that. Then delete the rough tracks of guitar/keyboard and track all your other stuff again until you get it right. Lastly, delete the click.


Mike
 
Well there's the delima. . .

1) I have no keyboard
2) I have no sound canceling headphones, so I can't hear what I'm playing over if I do my drums anything but 1st. Just the way my studio's set up I couldn't do it.


http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=5248454&q=hi

There's a new one, I was less liberal with the drums in this one.
The singing's a little worse too :o lol

I think I did a little better job equalizing, but it's probably still sh*tty. Idunno, tell me what you think please?
 
I record everything myself. It's not hard to do. The suggestion about recording a rough scratch track is key. Doing things to a click when possible is a good idea too. I actually do my drums last. Well, I do the vocals last, but the drums are last 'musical' piece I usually do.

Theres a couple things you can try if you dont have sound-killing headphones:

1) Wear foam earplugs under your headphones, and turn the phones up loud. The earplugs will help block out the loud cymbals and possibly let enough through from the headphones that you can hear it.

2) (I've personally done this many times): Get some cheap silencer headphones from Sears or Home-Depot that carpenters or construction workers might use. Wear cheapo MP3 earbuds underneath them. This way you'll clearly hear what you're recording to, but the silencers will deaden out the drums.
 
ziplock43 said:
It's tough recordin everything on your own!! I'm glad I'm on here getting some input.

Well, not really, not if you cut the drums to a click track, and cut the rest of the parts in such a way that you can hear the ones that came before; I suspect that you either lack some key equipment to make that happen, (drum miking for example), or simply lack the practice and experience to have mastered the somewhat specific techniques involved. There are some major sync issues on this song; but taken track by track, it sounds like you can execute on each instrument. You just need to step back, get over the novelty of single-artist multi-instrument multitracking, and re-attack the job with more care.

If you want to hear what CAN be done, listen to anything you can find by Rami. (Me too, but I'm a bit removed from your style of playing, so it would have less relevance as hearing the Ram-meister at work.)

Keep plugging, you have the tools! ;)
 
ziplock43 said:
Anyone's thoughts on the new mix?

2nd pass is a bit better, but the drums, still sound like they are recorded with one very distant mic...

Greg L is probably in the minority doing the drums last, because for most it's the hardest to sync to other tracks, but his techique is as valid as anyone else's. The isolation trick with earbuds is an excellent cheap suggestion. There's just no substitute for the right equipment and environment for this stuff though...
 
Hehe....I know it's not conventional, but I, like Greg, also do my drums last, in a sense. I do all my tracks (guitar, bass, vocals) to a click track (a simple drum machine beat, actually). Then I do my drums, playing to the tracks, with the simple drum machine track as my click.
I might then go back and re-do some tracks if they need to be changed due to the drum track. But I don't consider the original tracks as "dummy" tracks. I record them for real (not pretend :) )

Like anything else, it takes practice. And if you have to ask yourself if something will be "noticeable"....chances are it will be.
 
RAMI said:
Hehe....I know it's not conventional, but I, like Greg, also do my drums last, in a sense. I do all my tracks (guitar, bass, vocals) to a click track (a simple drum machine beat, actually). Then I do my drums, playing to the tracks, with the simple drum machine track as my click.
I might then go back and re-do some tracks if they need to be changed due to the drum track. But I don't consider the original tracks as "dummy" tracks. I record them for real (not pretend :) )

Like anything else, it takes practice. And if you have to ask yourself if something will be "noticeable"....chances are it will be.
Thats exactly how I do it. I record everything "for real" to a click, and add the drums last playing along to the music and the click. I guess drums are my main instrument, so I'm comfortable doing it that way. Like RAMI said, if anything needs to be touched up later on the music tracks, I can go back and take care of it. I also do it this way because I live in a house full of women and drums are loud and obnoxious. I'ts not unusual for me to have all the bass and guitar tracks done for 4 or 5 different songs. Then when time permits (the wife and kids leave), I'll try to lay down the drums for those 4 or 5 songs in one sitting.
 
Greg_L said:
2) (I've personally done this many times): Get some cheap silencer headphones from Sears or Home-Depot that carpenters or construction workers might use. Wear cheapo MP3 earbuds underneath them. This way you'll clearly hear what you're recording to, but the silencers will deaden out the drums.

Yep. I record everything myself too and this is what I do. Works really well. I would definately say a click track is key too. I know a lot of people go for a natural, flowing drum sound without a click, but unless you are an amazing drummer the time fluctuations just make me flinch and stop listening.
 
I'm really surprised by this you two... I track the drums first to a click or drum machine; because the nuances of the drum groove (if my drumming could be said to have any) will to an extent dictate what I do with the other tracks; kick points, meter changes, etc. I find that I'm unable to comfortably sync otherwise. I guess it's what you get used to, huh?
 
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I love this tune....and don't find this version to be too bad. Sounds a bit like a bar band, or some dudes in a basement...raw, but not bad.

Listen to these guys giving you advice, and you will learn alot. They are extremely helpful.

I want to do a version of this sometime...when I get a bit better on drums. :D
 
Llarion said:
I'm really surprised by this you two... I track the drums first to a click or drum machine; because the nuances of the drum groove (if my drumming could be said to have any) will to an extent dictate what I do with the other tracks; kick points, meter changes, etc. I find that I'm unable to comfortably sync otherwise. I guess it's what you get used to, huh?
Well I can only speak for myself obviously, but I mainly just do cover songs, so I already know how to play and what I'm doing before I hit record. For the few things I have written, its all pretty straightforward up-tempo rock. There's not much "groove" to fall into, so knocking out the drums last is no big deal. I'm also pretty methodical and damn near anal about recording precisely to a click, and I have no problems playing drums to a click, so as long as I'm hearing that click, the drums fall right in line with everything else. One thing I do usually do though is to turn the bass guitar up while I'm tracking the drums. Mainly just to hear whats going on, but it does sort of allow me to get that "groove" thing going in a roundabout ass-backwards way. It's just how I do it. :o
 
Greg_L said:
Well I can only speak for myself obviously, but I mainly just do cover songs, so I already know how to play and what I'm doing before I hit record. For the few things I have written, its all pretty straightforward up-tempo rock. There's not much "groove" to fall into, so knocking out the drums last is no big deal. I'm also pretty methodical and damn near anal about recording precisely to a click, and I have no problems playing drums to a click, so as long as I'm hearing that click, the drums fall right in line with everything else. One thing I do usually do though is to turn the bass guitar up while I'm tracking the drums. Mainly just to hear whats going on, but it does sort of allow me to get that "groove" thing going in a roundabout ass-backwards way. It's just how I do it. :o

Very cool. I wish my meter and rudiments were tight enough to do that.

By the way, I have a "famous" family member that may be of interest to you. My cousin is John Regan; who has been Peter Frampton's bassist for about 28 years, and was the bassist in Frehley's Comet...
 
Llarion said:
Very cool. I wish my meter and rudiments were tight enough to do that.

By the way, I have a "famous" family member that may be of interest to you. My cousin is John Regan; who has been Peter Frampton's bassist for about 28 years, and was the bassist in Frehley's Comet...
Very cool. That's some good credentials. Ace is the man. I'm more of a KISS-Ace fan than a Frehley's Comet guy, but all Ace is good Ace with me. ;)

As for my meter and rudiments, I think I do have pretty good timing. I'm very consistent on the beat. I maybe could be a human metronome. Lol. As for rudiments, I don't know a paradiddle from a flim-flam. I just bang on the drums. :cool:
 
Greg_L said:
Very cool. That's some good credentials. Ace is the man. I'm more of a KISS-Ace fan than a Frehley's Comet guy, but all Ace is good Ace with me. ;)

As for my meter and rudiments, I think I do have pretty good timing. I'm very consistent on the beat. I maybe could be a human metronome. Lol. As for rudiments, I don't know a paradiddle from a flim-flam. I just bang on the drums. :cool:

I scoped your stuff, and your meter is indeed tight. I epecially enjoyed The Boys Are Back In Town" and your take on "Monster Mash.."

John's a great guy. He claims I'm a better bass player, but then, he's deluded, so what can ya do... He's the one with the gig. :)
 
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