Studio Projects C1 for an overhead drum mic? SURE, What the heck!!! (MP3 sample)

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I stuck a new version C1 up over my drums along with an SM57 snare mic
& a AKG D112 in the kick. So, all the toms & cymbals (& some snare) are the C1.
It really surprised me! Take a listen and see what you think.

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Not too bad on my crappy headphones at work. The snare is a little dull sounding for my taste but not bad. Good drumming.
 
Slider,

how did you mic the bass drum? with or without the front head and where relative to the beater?

I think the bass drum sounds real nice and i'm looking to improve my sounds with some different techniques.

Thanks,
Brandon
 
Where did you position the C1? Those toms almost sound close mic'ed. A pair set up correctly would be pretty nice.
 
Brandon,
I always have the front head on (with no hole cut out). The mic is pointed
right where the beater hits the head & maybe around 6 inches away from it.

tubedude,
The C1 is up on a boom about a foot over my head. I usually use my
little EV N/D drum mics on the toms for a nice stereo spread, but I just wanted
to see how the C1 would handle things on it's own.
 
You say you used the "new version" C1.

So did you have either the bass-cut or the -10 pad switched on?

Sounds very good.
 
No, I just left the switch in the normal position...no pad or roll off.
 
Is this the same clip that was in the other thread? If so, I am super impressed with the sound. Good show man! I've got to say, I've been impressed with every clip from the C1 I've heard!

Thanks for the clip. Post a full song in the MP3 Mixing Clinic, I'd love to hear what a whole recording of your's sounds like.
 
C1 for drums - "In the mix"

Well, here's a piece of a basic blues/rock thing that I played drums on recently.
It's the same exact mic set up as before, but now you can hear how the
C1 holds up "in the mix" along with the other stuff. I stuck some Hammond
on there for the guys also.

*Check it out*
 
very good drum sound overall.

thanks for posting.

Also liked the full mix you posted. nice guitar playing.
 
Thanks for sharing your experience.

Those C1 mics just sell themselves.

On these lower priced large condensor mics, my two faves are the C1 and NT1 (which are mics that I do use regularly) and these seem to lead far and away in good material posted up by users for this category.
 
Slider said:
Brandon,
I always have the front head on (with no hole cut out). The mic is pointed
right where the beater hits the head & maybe around 6 inches away from it.
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Damn, that kick sound is excellent. Pardon my ignorance - so the mic is outside the drum 6 inches in front of the FRONT head?

Any dampening iside the drum? Pillows, sandbags?

EQ?

Oh yeah, the C1. Out of my price range for now, but sounded great.
 
Chuck,
No...no, the mic is inside the kick. No pillows, blankets, or dirty laundry
inside the drum at all. I have a 2 inch foam strip that I mounted inside along
where each head meets the shell. They're held in place by the lug mounting screws.
Not much EQ to speak of. A slight Low freq. boost and just enuff high end to get
that "snap" when the beater hits. I think alot of it is just how it's tuned I guess.
Both heads are regular Remo Ambassadors.
 
Now that I've heard it in a mix that snare works a lot better for blues. Sounds pretty cool. Great kick sound and the low end on the toms is nice. The cymbals sound great.
 
ChuckU said:
Oh yeah, the C1. Out of my price range for now, but sounded great.
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Look into the B1 and B3. The B1 is $79.00 and the B3 is $149.00. They will work quite well for overheads.

Alan Hyatt
 
Slider said:
Chuck,
No...no, the mic is inside the kick. No pillows, blankets, or dirty laundry
inside the drum at all. I have a 2 inch foam strip that I mounted inside along
where each head meets the shell. They're held in place by the lug mounting screws.
Both heads are regular Remo Ambassadors.
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Man, I know this thread is about the C1, so I apologize...

I'm using the foam strips also, but I don't have the audience side head (I was calling this the front head) on and I'm wondering if that's what's lacking- I'm actually not happy with the high end- even after EQ. I'm using a Beta 52, 2" away. Maybe it's too close.

Alan,
I mentioned the C1 as out of my range for now because I had thought of it as a vocal mic and just purchased a $99 V67.

Buck62,
I also have a pair of the ECM- 8000's which I love and use primarily as drum overheads. I posted a thread here last week where I used one on acoustic gtr.

Sorry about the confusion - now back to Slider...

:)
 
Hmmmm....that's a tough one. I'm not too familiar with the Beta 52.
Having the front head on will totally change the character of the kick, but
you'd have to try one on there to see if it affects the high end at all.
It's possible, that since more of the mids & low-mids are emphasized with
just one head on, they could be competing with the highs a little.
That slight difference in the mic distance shouldn't change the highs all that much.
I guess experimentation is the only answer. The last resort would be
a different mic or combination.
 
Checku,

My advice about the kick is listen to the original source...the kick drum. Get right down in front of it and have someone kick it. Chances are, it sounds pretty close to what your hearing in your recordings. I believe, although i have not tested alot, is the tone of the drum with the front head off, is more of a low snap, which works well in my types of music. I have gotten decent high snap results by using really heavy muffling, but again, the tone will be different. Also, you get much more snap by having the beater head VERY loose, i usually loosin it so its barely on there, then just turn until its barely tight. Then, i would try leaving the front head on, and put that mid tight to very tight (experimenting is the key). Also, if the front head has a hole in it, try micing it through the whole, facing towards the beater. But if there is no whole, put the mic directly infront of the front head, probably around 2 inches from it.

Also, anther thing you could try if you want to take the front head off, is bring the mic off axis. Bring the mic to the top of the head, and point it down at the kick. This will take out some low boomy part. Expirement with this also.

Last tip, try double micing. Put the kick mic inside the kick (or wherever works best) to give the low tone. Then use a SM57 off axis, pointing down to the beater, expirement with the placement. This should give you both tones, and will help it cut through the mix well.

Another thing that works very effectively, is to tape a quarter where the beater hits the head.

Basically, the recorded sound probably wont sound much different than the original source.

Expirement, Expirment, and Expirement. I dont think there is any other way to find the sound that you are looking for.

im out,
Darnold
 
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