Starting from zero. DAW suggestion

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The virtual instrument plugins you can download are excellent and there are a LOT to choose from so don't pick your DAW based on what virtual instruments come with it. And honestly, I only use free virtual instruments so far because there are so many available now that I haven't needed to buy any yet. I will spend when the need arises.
markmann, I would agree with you when comparing auto-centric DAW's. They're all good and as you mentioned one can always add softsynths as you go. My bank account knows that rabbit hole well. The big exception here is Reason+. It's a really intelligent, intuitive, all-inclusive midi environment with enough tools to last a lifetime and secondarily has become (over the years) a pretty decent audio environment. It is at its core a heavily midi-leaning solution which is what I think the OP was looking for.
 
Isn't Reason+ a subscription deal? If so I would be hesitant to suggest that to someone new to DAW land.
 
Isn't Reason+ a subscription deal? If so I would be hesitant to suggest that to someone new to DAW land.
İ checked it and yes it is subscription based. İ have to say i never liked subscribtion based softwares Other that that, i think it won't be a problem for a beginner. Because learning a daw will be an investment and will take a long time. So when a begginner reaches that stage, he could buy something like reason+. İ look at that way. Can be reason or anything else.

About the sound card topic, i already have external sound card.(sound blaster x4) But it is just for listenening gaming etc. So it doesn't have any input other than mic. İ guess i have to try first if i can plug usb keyboard to the pc and see if i can get the output from the external sound card. İf this works i think this sound card will be better than onboard and will suffice for a while until i understand what i want.
 
Isn't Reason+ a subscription deal? If so I would be hesitant to suggest that to someone new to DAW land.
I'm not sure why? One can subscribe and cancel at any time. That seems the ultimate for someone new to DAW land who's not yet sure as to what will work and or not. One can try the full version of Reason+ for a month for $1.99. That's pretty great considering all the synths and production tools that must be downloaded. It's a far bigger thing than downloading a version of say....Cubase.

Further if one deems Reason+ as the right software it can be bought as a perpetual license.

The only caveat with the demo would be the substantial download size as I think it's roughly 25 gig.
 
I'm not sure why? One can subscribe and cancel at any time. That seems the ultimate for someone new to DAW land who's not yet sure as to what will work and or not. One can try the full version of Reason+ for a month for $1.99. That's pretty great considering all the synths and production tools that must be downloaded. It's a far bigger thing than downloading a version of say....Cubase.

Further if one deems Reason+ as the right software it can be bought as a perpetual license.

The only caveat with the demo would be the substantial download size as I think it's roughly 25 gig.
didn't read all the thread. subscriptions are a con, you never own it and a company can just lock you out of it like avid did with the russians.

People must have mental health issues or are seriously misguided if they literally subscribe to plugins and sample packs for years throwing money down the drain

And 1.99 a month is still 1.99 more than using LogicX in full for 90 days (as just 1 example). And then it's cheap as hell to buy it outright and get lifetime upgrades after that if you like it after 90days.

Don't fall into the consumers trap
 
didn't read all the thread. subscriptions are a con, you never own it and a company can just lock you out of it like avid did with the russians.

People must have mental health issues or are seriously misguided if they literally subscribe to plugins and sample packs for years throwing money down the drain

And 1.99 a month is still 1.99 more than using LogicX in full for 90 days (as just 1 example). And then it's cheap as hell to buy it outright and get lifetime upgrades after that if you like it after 90days.

Don't fall into the consumers trap
I, by all means, am not really inclined to judge those who choose to stand on their principles. Consumer or otherwise. The decision is obviously up to the individual. If software subscriptions are an egregious problem I'm totally comfortable with that position. I subscribe to Reason+ and am happy I did so because that solution, in part, made the most sense in my scenario. I make ok money on my ques and that income far exceeds the cost of my subscription. If a subscription-based solution fills a need better than an outright purchase I'd have no hesitation to do so. For the record here, Reason+ can be bought in full for about the same price as Pro Tools, Studio One or Ableton. My usual mantra when responding to newbie DAW questions is to leave the cost factor in the hands of the individual. It's hard to know what their financial situation is unless of course part of their original post includes a projected budget. In this case, the OP did not.

With all due respect. I am decidedly not in poor mental health nor a seriously misguided gent. Ginormously difficult to make that assessment via a web forum. Also, I'm by a Titanic margin, on the plus side of income vs expenditures with my recording environment, and in no universe do I feel like I'm throwing money down the drain.

I'm well aware of Logic as I worked for Apple as a consultant while they were porting from Emagic. I'm also Apple certified in Logic. I used Emagic extensively in the early days of Pro Tools' horrendously failed midi environment. Logic is a brilliant package by any measuring yardstick as you mentioned and only Reaper comes in as less an investment. I would submit Logic is the best bang vs cost on the current contemporary DAW stage. Apple has done a fabulous job at re-coding the Emagic insanity, into a fairly streamlined intuitive DAW solution and, I can't think of a single component that it's lacking in, except.....the OP was looking for a Windows solution for a midi-only environment. On its face that would rule out Logic before getting out of the gate. It was also established that the primary role on the OP's wish list was a midi/instrument-centric and less so audio-centric solution. Even if Logic was a viable answer, at $200.00, one would have to spend a bunch more in order to bring Logic into the ballpark of available onboard synths, sequencers, arpeggiators, and chord generators Reason has embryonically. I don't think Reason's midi environment is as deep as Logic, as Logic still has some of the rabbit hole, endlessly deep capabilities from the old Emagic madness, but I do think Reason is noticeably more intuitive and for me, that would make sense for the OP who suggested he or she was overwhelmed as a beginner on even the very most basics.

The world is going to subscription-based environments. The photo application solutions got there far ahead of the DAW market and I'm pretty sure that the tide isn't gonna turn anytime soon, if at all. In so and regarding your post, I totally understand the concept behind dis-liking subscription-based plans but conversely, I'm not quick to reject a viable, powerful piece of software that not only provides some joy in creating music but also provides a nice flow of income by standing on consumer principles. Just my 2 cents.
 
@fadetogrey, you have received enough information to not make a bad decision. Ultimately you won't know what YOU like best until you take the plunge. Good luck and have fun.
 
FLstudio is hands down the best midi oriented DAW out there and I believe one of the cheapest also.

I'll say it how it is, I only wish I had people willing to say it how it is to me whenever I start heading in the wrong direction. To not judge is impossible, it's completely natural and it is as primal as it is something that can really save your ass.

It's cool you worked for Apple and have a big bank balance. I prefer to keep my personal life very private. Nobody can take from me if they do not know what I have to take.

I appreciate your thoughtful response, it was a bit overkill of a reply to my fast/brash 2cent but I appreciate it nonetheless.

(I used Logic as just an example, I also said that I didn't read the thread. My comment was purely on my thoughts about subscriptions and how I think if you subscribe to anything you're a numbnut)
 
FLstudio is hands down the best midi oriented DAW out there and I believe one of the cheapest also.

I'll say it how it is, I only wish I had people willing to say it how it is to me whenever I start heading in the wrong direction. To not judge is impossible, it's completely natural and it is as primal as it is something that can really save your ass.

It's cool you worked for Apple and have a big bank balance. I prefer to keep my personal life very private. Nobody can take from me if they do not know what I have to take.

I appreciate your thoughtful response, it was a bit overkill of a reply to my fast/brash 2cent but I appreciate it nonetheless.

(I used Logic as just an example, I also said that I didn't read the thread. My comment was purely on my thoughts about subscriptions and how I think if you subscribe to anything you're a numbnut)
All good man. I can certainly be overkill from time to time but it definitely comes from a position of "tryin' to help". And just to be clear, I decidedly don't have a big bank account. All I was referring to is I'm fortunate enough to have established myself in selling ques for production environments and it happens to cover my DAW/Synth investments comfortably. It doesn't however cover my mortgage.

As far as FLstudio...I dunno as I've not had a chance to try it but, I'm always interested in why someone thinks a midi software solution is the hands-down best. I'm never, never opposed to exploring a better solution. I'd genuinely like to hear your take as to why.
 
I'll jump in with a suggestion I haven't seen yet...Mixcraft. It is windows based, fairly inexpensive, easy to use, has great instruments with it and upgrades are cheap. I've been with them since version 5 and they are on version 9 now. Great community of users there too. Good luck!
 
There is no right or wrong answer. Any of the top 1/2 dozen will work fine.

Logic for Mac is a safe choice used by many top songwriter producers.

Ableton Live is the greatest DAW, I believe, but can be complicated and more expensive. It's capable of highly advanced things. Many great producers use that.

For beat making FL Studio is used often and another great choice.

 
İ checked it and yes it is subscription based. İ have to say i never liked subscribtion based softwares Other that that, i think it won't be a problem for a beginner. Because learning a daw will be an investment and will take a long time. So when a begginner reaches that stage, he could buy something like reason+. İ look at that way. Can be reason or anything else.

About the sound card topic, i already have external sound card.(sound blaster x4) But it is just for listenening gaming etc. So it doesn't have any input other than mic. İ guess i have to try first if i can plug usb keyboard to the pc and see if i can get the output from the external sound card. İf this works i think this sound card will be better than onboard and will suffice for a while until i understand what i want.
Aha! You might find that SB USB device does all you need, at least for a while. The old SB internal cards had a good rep for sound quality but a poor one for latency, maybe this one is an improvement? Here is a 'free go'...

Down load the demo of Modartt Pianoteq. This is just about the easiest app there is to test a keyboard system. Once up and running you can plug the kbd into a spare* USB port and then 'tell' Pianoteq to use the SB as the MIDI device. With luck you will get beautiful piano sound in your ears!
Should you ever need a mic one of the BM800/Neewer units will plug into the 3.5mm jack.

*If no spare get a $10 4 way hub. Most basic MIDI controllers are still USB 1.1 and work fine on hubs. Interfaces, not so much.

Dave.
 
All good man. I can certainly be overkill from time to time but it definitely comes from a position of "tryin' to help". And just to be clear, I decidedly don't have a big bank account. All I was referring to is I'm fortunate enough to have established myself in selling ques for production environments and it happens to cover my DAW/Synth investments comfortably. It doesn't however cover my mortgage.

As far as FLstudio...I dunno as I've not had a chance to try it but, I'm always interested in why someone thinks a midi software solution is the hands-down best. I'm never, never opposed to exploring a better solution. I'd genuinely like to hear your take as to why.
I couldn't get back to you yesterday, squeezing some time out of the morning to reply here.

If recording organic instruments alongside writing midi (like me) I do not know what is the best DAW, but so far for me I LOVE LogicX. It has score editor so I can write whatever I want in piano roll and view it back as Sheet music on a seperate monitor then record in realtime which is one of the most handy features of the entire DAW to me. I can play back using organic instruments without needing to spend that extra time memorising parts and learning, on top of having every single note in midi viewable in a professionally written out score sheet so I can instantly see harmonies which is so invaluable to me. Also It can export the sheet music, or if you can't read then it does guitar tab also.

If programming midi to a specific in-depth detail to make music that relies on midi automation. FL Studio is in a league of it's own.
watch some of this from exactly the 15 minute mark to see exactly what I mean. Any parameter you wish can be controlled with that sort of detail. I remember trying to make this beat in LogicX once....... impossible.
(Also note how OLD this video is. Logic Still can't keep up)

Sure, if recording organic instruments then I believe a DAW is a DAW, the difference is in workflow and there is nothing you can do in 1 DAW that you can't get around and do in another. But when it comes to MIDI, then the differences from DAW to DAW are vast and there are truly some very big limitations.

I have to apologise for being short/brash whatever. It's my default go-to nowadays because I am just fed up with "people" in general. And I sometimes forget this place is not social media.
 
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Ableton Live is really a very good DAW for so many things. I use it more traditional arrangement view, which is linear, but for sound manipulation. sampling, real time creation, it really is in a category all its own. Expensive, but a one time shot with the suite and you can take on stage with you. You can use it as primary instrument or as backup sound to add to one's performance.

If you are looking to make any sort of non traditional music, that is one DAW you should check out.
 
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