stand-alone cd burners

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hey folks, anyone tried any of these? particularly the philips. just looking for an easy way to burn some cd's from some live md's and some stuff i recorded on my tascam md multitrack. thanks!

tony
 
Stand-alones are basically unsuitable for creating masters for your music. The block error rates are far above what one can get
from a $300 Plextor internal burner.
Phillips are not basically good machines for
for c/d recording. You have to use their own C/d's (which cost some $$) and tend to suffer. My suggestion,is to use a c/d burner
or if it's standalone you want,look into the Tascam CD-RW500. Just my 1 and 1/2 cents.
 
I don't know what block error rates are but:

My Phlillips CD recorder has performed flawlessly for about a year now. I make masters and my clients have no problems!

I buy Memorex CD audio disks at $1.33 each. Fry's Electronics and Comp. USA have them for this price. I don't like computers for recording. The stand alone CD deck is small, lightweight and easy to operate. Just plug in two RCA jacks from your mixer and you're makin discs.

I also make exact digital copies from another CD player with fiber optic cables.

Sincerely;

Dom Franco
 
Happy Friday Dom!
If your'e happy then I'm happy! :)
I just don't like Phillips recorders. In my
opinion they are not that well made.
'Specially the 770.
Record On!
 
Hey Dom
Like MISTERQCUE, I am also happy that you are happy with your Phillips! What model of CD recorder is it?

mutt
 
I have the Phillips CDR775 (open box special..it was missing the remote, like I care!) I have had no trouble with it. Plus, since the remote was missing, only paid $325US!
 
I use a Tascam CDRW-5000 and it is the best thing I ever bought for my studio. I mix 16 ADAT tracks thru processors down to it and then take the master CD upstairs to my computer to make copies. I have heard that
Phillips sucks-but I do use their TV's at my motel. ROCK ON!
 
Luv the Tascam Timtraynor! But more comfortable with my Plextor!
 
Sorry, but i gotta say this to you, Misterqcue or whatever your name is: when you say that standalone CD recorders are unsuitable for mastering one's music, you show me that you're full of it, and after a while, everyone else who reads your posts will realize it too. OK, I feel better. Sheeesh....what do you record, anyway?
 
Here's an interesting stand alone, its from Alesis called the Masterlink ML9600. Calls itself the complete solution for mixing mastering and CD burning and creates standard red book and high resoultion CD's. It will also create 24 bit 96khz CD-R's Has built in ability to organize song lists, control crossfades, on board DSP, normalization, EQ, and a 3.2 gig hard drive for up to five hours of two channel audio. One small drawback $1500.00

Layth
 
Hello lkmuller. I'm not full of it(BTW my name is Aaron Collie) I previously asked this
exact same question on another .com and several of the Hi-end moderators explained to me in which direction to go as far as burning.Believe me,I never heard of a "Block error rate" until a well known engineer,Bill
Park, explained to me the plusses and minuses of standalone vs pc base burners.
BTW ,I'm a bass player by law,knowledge of drums and keyboards and a lil'bit of brass.
I am 42 years old and started get into homerecording 'bout a year ago.My 6 yr old daughter is learning piano and my son is in colege on music scholarship. I really take exception to the fact that "I'm full of it"
Show a lil respect for people who are trying to learn(like me) and people who can give some input. Enjoy the weekend and Peace!

Aaron Collie
MISTERQCUE SOUND STUDIO
 
Alright, alright...one of my redeeming qualities (and there are just a few) is that I'm able to realize when I'm wrong, and more importantly, admit when I'm wrong. My sincere apologies for the ignorant, nasty remarks I made to you, Aaron (Misterqcue). I was out of line. Your reply to my tasteless remarks showed a lot of class and I salute you for that.

ANYHOW, now that we're at peace (I hope we are), I'm very interested in what you said
about the block error rates for stand alones. I have a Tascam CDRW5000 and one of the qualities I like so much about it is that I'm able to record directly from Cubase all of the midi tracks as well as the audio tracks at one time, without having to convert everything into one wave file first. I haven't had any problems yet, but if there will be problems in the future, I'd like to learn about them now. I'm a guitar player, who like yourself, is just learning about this fun hobby of home recording. Any input would be appreciated.

Aloha,

Lee Muller
Footinmouth Recording Studios

[This message has been edited by lkmuller (edited 05-13-2000).]
 
Your'e a good man too Lee(lkmuller)! Peace.
I 've been a bass player for 29 years,mostly
jazz,r/b-funk,pop whatever. I've done session
work,small and big venues,and participated with some well-known artists. I used to get pissed of at some of the exhorbitant prices
some studios charged so I decided to start my own project recording studio.Bought a house (only reason why 'cause the basement was huge!)converted it into a studio and started to do my own recordings. My younger brother convinced to go with PC-based recording(and after seeing his studio) i was impressed! N-e way,like i said before,i asked on another site if standalone was the way to go, and was told that internals are more perferred for mastering than standalones. I bought a plextor burner,but i'm falling in love with the Tascam and I'm gonna buy one this week.Any way Gotta run,
my daughter is drivin' me crazy. Peace 2-fingers!
 
Just for informational purposes and curiosity
satisfaction, visit www.prorec.com and see my
thread dated 4/28/00 (CD W/O SCMS CODING).
My question was basically the same as T.Moore's request at the begining of this BBS. Sorry to bore you all,but the wife invited her female friends and family members for a Mothers Day BBQ (No men
allowed!) and I got stuck baby sittin' 8 kids! Nuff' Said!. Happy Mothers Day to all the Mothers! :)
 
Maybe this will clear a little up here.

The reason that a CDR burner in a computer is more suitable for creating "master" CD's is the fact that it will burn DAO (Disk At Once), where a stand alone player burns TAO (Track At Once).

This is only really an issue if you are going to send your finished CD in for duplication. In the past, duplication houses would have to re-master a submitted CDR that was authored in the TAO format because for them to just copy a disk to a glass master, they needed to have a disk that was burned where the lazer did not stop anywhere. There is a whole bunch of boring technical issues involved with trying to copy a CDR that was burned in TAO mode to glass master that I don't feel motivated enough to look up again and expand upon.

Anyway, times are a changin'! A lot of duplication house now can accept CDR's burned in TAO mode to make glass masters from. Not all can, so if you are sending your burned CDR in for duplication, you should check this with the plant that will be making them for you. They may or may not be able to use your CDR burned in TAO mode to make the glass master from. If they can't, they can re-master from your CDR, but usually this will entail a fee for their mastering services, and if they do this for you, make sure you specify that you don't want any compression or EQ applied, unless you actually do want it applied. Many times in the past people I have known have sent in their CDR masters to duplications houses to get back 1000 CD's where an over zealous house mastering engineer applied bad compression and/or EQ to the mastered songs that the client didn't want.

If you are going to use the duplication houses mastering service, MAKE SURE THAT THEY SEND YOU A REFERENCE CD FOR YOU TO HEAR BEFORE THEY DUPLICATE FOR YOU!!! And if you are paying for this service, scrutinize the mastering job really closely before you say yes to what they did! Often, you will just be impressed with the hotter levels and somewhat better eq. But often, if you listen a few times, you will not like what they did as much. Likely, the mastering engineer is a kid right out of Full Sail who is getting his feet wet in mastering. Basically may not know what he is doing. So, if you don't like the job he did, ask for it to be changed to something you will like and ask to be sent another reference disk. This is time consuming, and at some point, if you are really picky, you will be paying extra for the extra mastering. This is why I suggest you either have your disk mastered by a mastering house where you can set in on the session and walk away happy with the results, or master yourself and specify that if the disk needs to be reauthored by the duplication house that it is not compressed or Eq'ed when they do.

So, what MISTERQUE is saying is partially true, but not as pertinent now that many duplication houses will accept TAO mode disks.

Also, duplication houses need an EXACT time sheet of your mastered disk to make a glass master from. On stand alone units, you only get a Min./Sec. count on the display. The duplication house needs it down to a hundreth of a second. With CDR burning software on a computer, you can print out this Time Sheet to send to the duplication house and it will be exactly what is on the disk.

Ed
 
For as odd as it might seem, most mastering engineers actually still prefer an analog 1/2" open-reel @ 30ips; with or without some form of Dolby NR over anything else.
 
Tony: The CDRW-5000 is as easy as it gets in the make a quick CD from anything department.
It's got all sorts of I/O choices. I used the RW capability yesterday when I captured a high(er) quality RealAudio stream (~1 hour long) to CDRW media. Every time I've tried to play these live from the net for friends, I run into net congestion which ruins the piece. Now I can play the CD and erase it and record another one. Plus the unit is small enough to bring to a venue to record to two tracks live.
 
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